Walker Cup history

I am trying to collect information about past Walker cup winners. Can someone help me find info on the Walker cup winners for the following years:
1946 through 1951, 1953 through 1957, 1969,1972 and 1973

I am looking for the person's name, airplane name and engine used.

Thank you in advance!

Steven Yampolsky
Webmaster for www.control-line.org

Steve,

It used to be on the old PAMPA we site, but I'm not sure if it's
on the new one yet! Just take a look and see what you find.

Jim Pollock

>Steve,
>
>It used to be on the old PAMPA we site, but I'm not sure if
>it's
>on the new one yet! Just take a look and see what you find.
>
>
>
>Jim Pollock

Jim, you are correct the original web site did have the list. The years I am asking about are missing from that list. This is the reason why I am asking.

Steven Yampolsky
Webmaster for www.control-line.org

LAST EDITED ON Feb-25-04 AT 08:17 PM (CDT)
 
Steve,
Walker "Trophy" winner for 1969, AKA: Mr.'69 NATS, Robert (Bob) Lampione. F-86 Sabre, Fox .35.
Bill <><

Just an Old Advanced flyer.

>Steve,
>Walker "Trophy" winner for 1969, AKA: Mr.'69 NATS, Robert
>(Bob) Lampione. F-86 Sabre, Fox .35.
>Bill <><
>
>Just an Old Advanced flyer.

Unless it has changed since I talked to Bob last week (and the magazine article at the time was wrong), he won in '69 with the F-86 Sabre and a Fox .35. I would let him answer himself, but I don't know if he's home from the hospital, yet.
I will let Al tell us what engine he used in the Sea Fury.
IIRC, Dennis had his Typhoon. (I don't think he is a member here)
And Mr Klapinski had a McCoy 40 in the Tempest didn't he?
Bill <><

Steve,

They were on the list the last time I looked at it about 2 months ago. Just form memory I think 1969 was Bob Lampione - also know as Mr. 1969 Nats in some circles. Can't remember the rest becuase I'm just getting senile I guess, but 1946-1948 was the same person, I just can't remember his name right now!

Jim,
Davey Slagle, engine and plane I do not know. Also, didn't GMA win it in '57? Or was he just the Open winner? If so, Nobler and Fox .35, of course.
Bill <><

>Jim,
>Davey Slagle, engine and plane I do not know.

Checkala Roma, I think we can find which engine with a little digging.

>I am trying to collect information about past Walker cup
>winners. Can someone help me find info on the Walker cup
>winners for the following years:
>1946 through 1951, 1953 through 1957, 1969,1972 and 1973
>
>I am looking for the person's name, airplane name and engine
>used.
>

Well, I think Bob Lampione won in 69 (United?). And I think Al won either 72 or 73, and Denny Adamission won somewhere around then, too.

If I talk to David, I'll ask him, since the thing is sitting in his living room.

Check the archives. Mr. Fitzgerald posted all the Walker Cup winners a year or so back. Larry, NorCal Circle Jerks

>I am trying to collect information about past Walker cup
>winners. Can someone help me find info on the Walker cup
>winners for the following years:
>1946 through 1951, 1953 through 1957, 1969,1972 and 1973
>
>I am looking for the person's name, airplane name and engine
>used.
>
>Thank you in advance!
>
>Steven Yampolsky
>Webmaster for www.control-line.org

57 Years of Walker Cup Winners

2003- Dave Fitzgerald, Star Gazer IV, PA 61, Muncie IN
2002- Paul Walker, P-51 Miss America, Saito 56, Muncie IN
2001- Dave Fitzgerald, Star Gazer IV, PA 61, Muncie IN
2000- Ted Fancher, Final Edition, PA 61, Muncie IN
1999- Dave Fitzgerald, Star Gazer III, PA 61, Muncie IN
1998- Paul Walker, Impact, OS 40 VF, Muncie IN
1997- Dave Fitzgerald, Star Gazer I, PA 61, Muncie IN
1996- Bob Baron, Pattern Master, Super Tigre 60, Muncie IN
1995- Ted Fancher, Great Expectation, OS 46 VF, Pasco WA
1994- Paul Walker, Impact, PA 40, Lubbock TX
1993- Paul Walker, Impact, OS 40 VF, Vincennes, IN
1992- Paul Walker, Impact, OS 40 VF, Westover AFB MA
1991- Paul Walker, For Reals?, OS 40 VF, Vincennes IN
1990- Paul Walker, Impact, OS 40 VF, Vincennes IN
1989- Jim Casale, Spectron-Columbia, Super Tigre 60, Pasco WA
1988- Jim Casale, Spectron-Columbia, Super Tigre 60, Tidewater VA
1987- Paul Walker, Bad News IV, Super Tigre 60, Lincoln NE
1986- Ted Fancher, Citation V, Super Tigre 46, Lake Charles LA
1985- Jim Casale, Spectrum Mk III '85, Super Tigre 60, Westover AFB MA
1984- Paul Walker, Bad News I, OS 45 FSR, Reno NV
1983- Jim Casale, Spectrum Mk III, Super Tigre 60, Westover AFB MA
1982- Ted Fancher, Intimidation, Super Tigre 46, Lincoln NE
1981- Bill Werwage, USA-1, Super Tigre 46, Seguine TX
1980- Les McDonald, Stiletto 660, K&B 40, Wilmington OH
1979- Bob Gieseke, Gieseke Nobler, Fox 35, Lincoln NE
1978- Bob Whitely, Derringer, Super Tigre 46, Lake Charles LA
1977- Al Rabe, P-51 Mustang, Riverside CA
1976- Bob Hunt, Genesis Mk III, Super Tigre 46, Dayton OH
1975- Bob Gieseke, Gieseke Nobler, Fox 35, Lake Charles LA
1974- Bob Gieseke, Gieseke Nobler, Fox 35, Lake Charles LA
1973- Al Rabe
1972- Dennis Adamisin
1971- Bill Werwage, USA-1, Super Tigre 40
1970- Keith Trostle, Focke-Wolf, Glenview NAS IL
1969- Bob Lampione
1968- Bob Gieseke, Gieseke Nobler, Fox 35
1967- Barton Klapinski, Tempest,
1966- Bob Gieseke, Gieseke Nobler, Fox 35
1965- Bob Gialdini, Eclipse, Veco 45
1964- Jim Silhavy, Nobler, Fox 35
1963- Bob Gialdini, Sting Ray, Veco 35
1962- Gerry Cipra, Nobler, Fox 35
1961- Lew McFarland, Shark 45, Veco 45
1960- Jim Silhavy, Nobler, Fox 35
1959- Bill Werwage, Ares, Fox 35
1958- Arthur P. Pawloski, Atom, Fox 35
1957- George M. Aldrich
1956- Bill Cummings
1955- Bob Palmer
1954- Hill Hutchins, Jr.
1953- Bob Elliott
1952- George M. Aldrich, Nobler, Fox 35
1951- Don Ferguson
1950- Lou Andrews
1949- W. Howard Thombs
1948- Davey Slagle
1947- Davey Slagle
1946- Davey Slagle

That covers the names - straight from the old PAMPA sites. Al and Bob can fill in their equipment, of course.

Wow, now this is golden information! Thanks, Brett!

Tim

See posts #4, #11.

According to Mr. Hunt, The correct name is the Walker Trophy and the Walker Cup is for the FAI winner, no?

Bill <><

Keith Trostle used the OS Max 35 in his Focke Wulf.
Chris...

Is it my imagination, or is Paul Walker's name on that thing more than any other?

Which brings up the question. WHY is it called the "Walker Cup" in the first place?

Well,

My take is it is named after Jim Walker, one of the original founders and promotors of control line aviation.

The Cup was named after Jim Walker, the George Washington of control line model aviation. Some credit him with inventing the bellcrank which is handy when trying to fly a model on lines. He was quite a stunt flier himself, and is famous for such stunts as flying three c/l planes at once, one in each hand and one attached to his helmet. He traveled around in the late 40's and early 50's demonstrating c/l flight and giving away models to kids, young or old. Some of his designs were the Fireball, Firebaby, Firecat, Firebat, etc. He also built, flew and gave away handlaunch gliders, but that is another story.

O.K., here is the rest of the story:

Jim Walker

by Bill Weaver

When I operated my model shop during 1938-41, one of my biggest problems was explaining to someone who saw the models in my window and hanging from the ceiling that they had to be built from kits. These were adults wanting to buy an airplane for a birthday or Christmas present. They couldn't believe these models came from that box full of balsa sticks, balsa sheets, covering material, etc. with a complicated-looking plan. It was even more disappointing to smaller boys who came in wanting to buy "one of those airplanes".

Fortunately, I had a line of ready-to-fly airplane models made by the American Junior (A-J) Aircraft Company of Portland, Oregon, and priced for a kid's pocketbook. These were very well mechanically and aerodynamically designed, and great flyers. They had brightly color printed balsa parts, and the balsa wings were formed in some way to have permanent camber and dihedral. All the metal parts were well designed and made. The manufacturing was so exact that when you took the model out of its box and slid the wing and stab in to their slots it was perfectly trimmed for flying. I never had a boy return one. They sold themselves by their performance.

There was a 10 cent glider with a round lead sinker glued in its nose that could do 19 stunts depending on how hard you threw it and the angle of bank. There was the rubber powered A-J Hornet, a real flyer that ended in the tops of many trees and roofs in Frederick. The one I liked best was the A-J Interceptor glider. It had a neat wing-folding mechanism powered by a small rubber band. The wing could be pivoted, negatively rotating at the leading edge and then folded back over the stab, rotating at the wing roots. When let go, the wings would snap back to flying position. There was a large strong rubber band attached to a dowel handle. You folded the wings back holding the wing tips where they protruded past the rudder. Then you hooked the rubber band in a notch in the fuselage bottom, pulled it back as far as you could, pointed it straight up and let go. It would go up about a hundred feet or so with the air pressure keeping the wings folded. When it slowed to nearly a stop, the wings would snap open, and it was off to a long glide down. I used to have contests for the Interceptors on Saturday mornings in Baker Park.

We got many 60 second flights.

One youngster, too small to get a full stretch of the launch rubber, had a buddy stand on a park bench holding the dowel above his head, while he pulled the model down to a full stretch. Some caught thermals and were lost high over Frederick. The Ceiling Walker was a crazy two prop helicopter that would fly straight up outdoors or would bump against the ceiling indoors.

I didn't know it then, but the genius behind A-J was Jim Walker. In 1941 he perfected control line flying and produced the A-J Fireball, the first C/L model, complete with control handle and flying lines. I saw one fly at a 1941 free flight contest in Baltimore.

I first got to know Jim Walker at the 1950 NATS held at the Dallas Naval Air Station. He was a R/C contender from the first days of R/C flying. But he also was a master showman and put on flying demonstrations all during NATS week. He could fly three Fireballs at once, with a control handle in each hand and one attached to his hat. His Fireballs were all equipped with engine speed controls. It enabled him to do stunts like flying a Fireball around and doing his "sabre dance" - making it stop in mid air hanging on its prop and climbing up and down vertically. He would put a pin in the tail end of a Fireball and stop it over a balloon fastened to the ground and slowly back down and puncture it.

Every evening he was in the hangar-workshop demonstrating his ready-to-fly models and giving one to every kid he saw. Soon the hangar was full of Ceiling Walkers and Hornets flying around like big insects. He would put a pin in the nose of one of his 10 cent gliders and have a small boy hold a balloon. After walking about 30 - 35 feet away, he would announce that the glider will make a climbing turn over the boy's head, glide down another turn, and burst the balloon. Taking careful aim he would give it a slightly banked pitch. I never saw him miss.

He even invented a glider controlled by sound waves instead of radio waves. It would respond to blasts from a horn! Jim Walker died, probably in the late 1950s or early 60s. I think his company stopped production then. I have seen some A-J models advertised in recent years by somebody in Oregon.

He was an outstanding inventor, model airplane designer and flyer, precision manufacturer and showman.

And now you know the rest of the story.

I'll go back to some '40s MANs that I have, and see if they mention what Davey Slagle flew and motored with. Then we can add to the data base that Mr Buck kindly provided us.

>O.K
>There was a 10 cent glider with a round lead sinker glued in
>its nose that could do 19 stunts depending on how hard you
>threw it and the angle of bank. There was the rubber powered
>A-J Hornet, a real flyer that ended in the tops of many
>trees and roofs in Frederick. The one I liked best was the
>A-J Interceptor glider. It had a neat wing-folding mechanism
>powered by a small rubber band. The wing could be pivoted,
>negatively rotating at the leading edge and then folded back
>over the stab, rotating at the wing roots. When let go, the
>wings would snap back to flying position. There was a large
>strong rubber band attached to a dowel handle. You folded
>the wings back holding the wing tips where they protruded
>past the rudder. Then you hooked the rubber band in a notch
>in the fuselage bottom, pulled it back as far as you could,
>pointed it straight up and let go. It would go up about a
>hundred feet or so with the air pressure keeping the wings
>folded. When it slowed to nearly a stop, the wings would
>snap open, and it was off to a long glide down. I used to
>have contests for the Interceptors on Saturday mornings in
>Baker Park.
>
>We got many 60 second flights.
>
>One youngster, too small to get a full stretch of the launch
>rubber, had a buddy stand on a park bench holding the dowel
>above his head, while he pulled the model down to a full
>stretch. Some caught thermals and were lost high over
>Frederick. The Ceiling Walker was a crazy two prop
>helicopter that would fly straight up outdoors or would bump
>against the ceiling indoors.
>

I grew up flying these planes, the 10 cent 74 Fighter glider, the 49 cent Hornet (and, later, the expensive 79 cent Pursuit), rubber. The Interceptor (59 cents?) was fun, but the folding wing mechanism added drag, and eventually fatique set in, and it broke. What you wanted to do was to sand the thing within an inch of its life, getting wt out.

Never was much of a Ceiling Walker kid. Funny thing about the 74 Fighter was the cylindrical slug of lead wt in the nose. You would fly it into a wall, and the wt sometimes would come out. Then you would chuck it, not knowing, and...Tailheavy City.

Davey Slagle had a series of stunt ships based on previous experience with a Snafu Ercoupe kit. They were named "Chickory Chick", "Chala Chala", "Checkala Roma" and "In A Bananaca". They most noted and published in Air Trails was Checkala Roma, It was powered by a Super Cyclone engine and I believe all the others were also. An interesting model, I have the AT plan in front of me as I type this. It had a lot of plywood bulkheads, 1/4" ply stab and elevators, 1/8 wire pushrod. a 2&1/8" bellcrank and a full spark ignition system. It looks like it had to be heavy, however, the Cyke was able to swing a big prop with it's long stroke so that may have been the key to it's success. As for the names, well if you are a real old timer you can still sing the lyrics to Chickory Chick, a pop hit from aroound 1945.

Don (and yes, I remember the tune, the four names were followed by "Bollica Wollica can't you see? Chickory Chick is me")

Good stuff! Up on the website it goes!

>Is it my imagination, or is Paul Walker's name on that thing
>more than any other?
>
>

Randy Powell

It's in the blood...

Theo

Thank you everyone for helping out! The web page has been created:

http://www.control-line.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=58

1949 winner W. Howard Thombs is from Warren, OH & flew a Di-Doe Profile Bi-plane with an O&R .29 powering it.

>1949 winner W. Howard Thombs is from Warren, OH & flew a
>Di-Doe Profile Bi-plane with an O&R .29 powering it.
Is Warren, OH the place where the Nats took place?

dhutch: Great stuff! You saved me a paper chase. Currell

LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-04 AT 02:41 PM (CDT)
 
>>1949 winner W. Howard Thombs is from Warren, OH & flew a
>>Di-Doe Profile Bi-plane with an O&R .29 powering it.
>Is Warren, OH the place where the Nats took place?

He lived in Warren, OH. The 1949 Nats was in Olathe, KS.

Stunt1

Hello Steve,
I couldn't answer you directly before because I wound up in the hospital for 3 days with what we thought might have been another heart attack. Had all the classic symthoms but all the EKG's and Blood Gases work-up showed that it wasn't (Thanks be to GOD).
Something happened, but their not quite sure what it was and they want to do some more tests next week.

To answer your question, at least one of them, I won the "Walker Trophy" in 1969 with my version of the F86D Sabre with USAF "Thunderbird" paint scheme. It weighed 55 ounces, had a stock Fox 35 and a Rev-Up 10X6 EW prop. Needed that because of the weight.
Both the "F-86D Sabre" and "The United" were built at the exact same time together in 1968. The Sabre flew so much better, at least I thought so, that I went with that for the NATS.
That airplane won 11 1st places from the beginning of the season in 1969 up to and including the Nationals. My balloon didn't leave me like it did for some others ( See USA 1 article in the current Model Aviation). Never mind that the flyiny was very good. Some think that that had nothing to do with it. In my opinion the flying back then was much more graceful with better shapes and speeds (Lap Times) and I think that is what stunt is all about, at least for me.
Love and kisses,

Mr. "1969" NATS,

Bob Lampione

Bob,

Aww geez.... you mean it wasn't a figment of my imagination????
BTW: you left out the plug, fuel and spinner type! LOL!!
I need to borrow your lost foam jig.

Bill (your ol' redneck brother from the South) Little <><

Whoops...... Otis is knocking at the door..... must be drunk, and there's a foot of snow......Where's Barney????

Bob,
I am sorry I didn't get a chance to answer your email. I have not gotten recent pictures of Mireille on my computer yet. I hope I can get a chance to load them this weekend. Let me assure you that she will be present and spectating at the Wrentham contest this season.

I am glad to hear that you are ok. Take care of your health first and foremost. I want my daughter to grow up and meet THE funnest guy in CL stunt!

Hi Steven-

As long as you are adding locations to the Nats here are some old ones. '46-Wichita, KS. '47-Montcello, Mn. '48&'49-Olathe, KS. then on to the regular cycle of Navy Nats rotating Philly, Glenview,Los Alamitos, Dallas but I'm not sure where it started in '50 but someone else should be able to fill that in real quick.

LAST EDITED ON Mar-03-04 AT 11:49 PM (CDT)
 
I emailed this thread to NW Skyraider Bob Parker (who works with PW at Boeing). Bob is a superb builder and Advanced flier, but also flies Navy Carrier, Scale, and builds obscure CL models. Some may remember him at VSC a few years ago with a Davy Slagle "Checkala Roma" replica. Bill Netzeband had another. Bob must be shy, because I hoped he would have posted this info here...but as he didn't, I copied the email reply and paste it here (thanks, Bob!):

"I've done a fair amount of research on the Checkala Roma. I even built one with the proper paint scheme and decal work. It is powered by a Super Cyclone as was the original. Davy also used Dennymites in some of his early models, partly because he was "sponsored" by Reginald Denny (movie actor that owned a hobby shop in California) and had engines built with his name on them. But the Super Cyclone had more power. I have talked to Dave Slagle in the last few months. He now lives in Maine. Bob Parker"