McCoy .36? Red Head

I just purchased a McCoy .36 (No, not .35) Red Head over on the bay. I don't remember these at all and it came as a complete surprise to me. Anybody know about this thing?

Randy,
The Super Stunt series that preceeded the Redhead Stunt engines came in a .36 displacement. As I remember, they had a removeable front plate like an Enya and no backplate. Any chance someone painted the head red?
Steve

Let me clarify this, this is NOT a Super Stunt .36, this is a Testors era .36 Red Head with a steel finned cylinder. It has not been remarked, the .36 is cast into the case. It has a rear cover rather then the Duramatic front loader. This engine and the .35 laying side by side are indistinguishable form one another until you look at the displacement.

Randy: I'll give you $88 for it.

Double your $.

Or we can swap. What do you like?

Currell,

You're too eager, it's not for sale or trade right now.

>Randy: I'll give you $88 for it.
>
>Double your $.
>
>Currell

Randy,

TAKE IT!!! It's a botched casting of a "5" that looks like a "6". Great chance to take Currell to the cleaners and double your money!

Nope, Andy. The casting flaw itself makes it interesting. Looking at the photo, it sure looks like a "6" is staring back at me.

Offer still stands.

They wudda changed the stroke and not the bore, anyway...

>Let me clarify this, this is NOT a Super Stunt .36, this is
>a Testors era .36 Red Head with a steel finned cylinder. It
>has not been remarked, the .36 is cast into the case. It has
>a rear cover rather then the Duramatic front loader. This
>engine and the .35 laying side by side are indistinguishable
>form one another until you look at the displacement.
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Would you please post a picture of this engine? It's hard to visualize it without a picture to look at!

LAST EDITED ON Feb-27-04 AT 10:44 AM (CDT)
 
Will post as soon as I get it. The photo on the bay was quite good, I don't think this is a casting distortion as has been suggested by someone off line.

I pulled the shot of bay, see for yourselves.

Put one of my "mistake" heads on it (Plug to exhaust side, but aft of center line, and another one with the plug on the bypass side) and you would really have a weird one.

It does indeed look like a "6".

One of a kind, if true? Currell

>Will post as soon as I get it. The photo on the bay was
>quite good, I don't think this is a casting distortion as
>has been suggested by someone off line.
>
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Except for the 36, it looks like a garden variety Mccoy .35.

LAST EDITED ON Feb-27-04 AT 11:22 AM (CDT)
 
I think you'll find you have a casting flaw in the case. Testor's was never famous for QC and they never test ran a single engine they made prior to shipping. The ONLY .36 was the Super Stunt. I think if you take the puppy apart and measure it, you'll find it is just a standard .35 Stunt. The "6" looks a lot more like a "5" to me with the bottom sorta closed in. On the .36 Super Stunts I have seen some that looked like it said "38"- Charlie Bruce had one many years ago (may still have it for all I know) on a Goldberg Shoestring and the case said "38", although there is no doubt at all it was a standard .36 Super Stunt.
Sorry...

Jake

Hey Randy: Grab a nice magnifying glass. Look at the "6".

Then grab the closest McCoy 35 Redhead that you have. Look at the 5. Look really, really hard.

Whatever you see will settle the "casting flaw" explanation.

And I hope they are wrong, actually.

Well, unfortunately I don't have the engine is hand yet but I did do a little photo manipulation. One thing perfectly clear in the picture is that the loop is perfectly closed and oval shaped. The top looks well curved unlike the 5 of the .35 but that portion isn't as clear no matter what I do. Guess we just have to wait. When I get it I'll have a freind take some picture focused up close of both a new .35 and the ??? engine.
Stranger things have happened and with all the McCoy variants I won't discount it until I see it first hand.

Currell,

I don't know what you're refering to, the 5 is a 5 no doubt on a brand new one I now have in my hot little hand. The top is very tight. The 6 in the photo doesn't look like that, it looks looped, like a 6. It is just a photo, so we'll just have to wait and see.

>Currell,
>
>I don't know what you're refering to, the 5 is a 5 no doubt
>on a brand new one I now have in my hot little hand. The top
>is very tight. The 6 in the photo doesn't look like that, it
>looks looped, like a 6. It is just a photo, so we'll just
>have to wait and see.
>

>Randy: What I am asking you to do, sounds like you already have done, at least comparing the photo to an actual 35.

We breathlessly await the engine. The USPS truck better have a tail gunner on it, because brigands are lurking, and I are one.

The 6 in the photo doesn't look like that, it
>looks looped, like a 6. It is just a photo, so we'll just
>have to wait and see.

>Just make sure you aren't the looped one.

Loop engines, not people.

Well, 15 or so years ago you could have caught me "looped", but these days I live and see very clearly, in my mind's eye anyway.

Mccoy also made a .36 prior to the sportsman. It was one of the white case sand cast. In both ignition and glow. This one has got to be a casting flaw tho.

They did indeed, I had forgotten about that older one. They also had a .55 at one time which is kinda scarce today.

John

LAST EDITED ON Feb-28-04 AT 04:20 AM (CDT)
 
Hi Guys
Here is another Red Herring for you. My McCoy 38 Sportsman, it's built from 3 motors. A wrecked 1948 Sportsman 29 with broken lugs and half the exhaust stack missing, used part of the case and the front housing. The crankcase of a 1948 Sportsman junior 36 and the chromed piston, sleeve and head from a later McCoy super stunt 36.
Feels pretty good, hope to run it up over the weekend time permitting
Cheers John

Its not uncommon for the tool and die makers in a factory to make a mistake and put a 6 in a mold in place of a 5. The machine operators run some sample parts and quality control may or may not catch the mistake before some of the parts get into production. Even if quality control catches the mistake it is not uncommon for some of the parts to fall on the floor under the die cast machine. Months later when someone cleans out the parts under the machine they don't notice a few of the parts are marked 36 and not 35. The parts get sent down the assembly line and no one notices the difference. After working in industry for 35 years I have seen this happen many times. I have been working in a die casting factory for the past 11 years we run 12 die cast machines and when a mold gets changed we try to clean up all the parts but sometimes we miss a few parts. Months later someone will clean up parts again and this time they find a few parts we did not find months earlier. The parts all get sent down the assemble line and no one notices the difference. The McCoy 36 you bought may be a McCoy 35 just a mistake. Coin collectors freek out over double stamped coins that qualtity control missed and let get into circulation. Your McCoy 36 might be one of a kind sorta like a double stamped coin.

>I just purchased a McCoy .36 (No, not .35) Red Head over on
>the bay. I don't remember these at all and it came as a
>complete surprise to me. Anybody know about this thing?

Well, it has to be either a limited run or a mistake, e.g. a "6" put in the mold instead of a "5".

I have a suggestion. "Wild Bill" Netzenband (sp?) is still around, and he was with Testors during this period. Why not track him down and ask him if Testors produced a Redhead 36?

Hmmm, mebey, jist mebey it's uh .39 and the 9 is upside down making it look like a 6. Yeah, that's the ticket, it's a .39.

LAST EDITED ON Feb-28-04 AT 11:53 PM (CDT)
 
Went to the man himself, Dick McCoy, and asked him. HE says that it had to be a casting flaw. No such engine was ever made in a 36. Dick is 95 now and not in the best of health. Let us all hope that he will be with us alot longer. It has been my pleasure and privilage to live close to him and have had him rebuild a couple 29RR's for me in his old shop. Quite a guy.

Bill

I have no claim to fame, I build more planes than I fly, collect more kits than I build. That about says it, right?

Well, its a .35, the .36 only shows up with the light right and must have coincidentally been right in the picture though it was listed as a .36, could have been a typo. There is light gash across the upper left side of the 5 and when the light hits ir right it looks just like a 6.

So, $44 buck on an old (brand new actually) McCoy .35, I really needed another one of those.

RR: You still didn't do too badly. Currell

Randy:
See this link, it shows a McCoy 36.
Dave

Wrong engine, I have several of these.