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builditright · Apr 13, 2004 01:48 AM

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Just wanted to let everyone know that it is offical...

We will be moving in the summer, since we have not only a house to pack but also the shop so I wanted to let everyone know that I will be shutting the shop down effective May 1st.

unfortunately our new house does not currently have a shop for me to move right in so I will need to Build one and that will take a bit of time and I can't estimate a start date for this year at this time.

I will be finishing the production and release of the Cobra's and the El Diablo's before closing the shop.

Also, I am cancelling my trips to Brodaks as well as the Worlds/Nats so I am having a moving sale, I have discounted the other kits that are already in stock, some of the kits have already been sold out so I have listed on my website a moving sale page with prices and what is left.

http://www.builtrightflyright.net/

Thank You and God Bless
Walter Umland
aka / builditright
please visit my web
http://www.builtrightflyright.net

CLiner · Apr 13, 2004 07:23 AM

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Walt,
Please check your e-mail.
Roger

Roger V

Bootlegger · Apr 15, 2004 11:06 AM

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Walter,
When you get settled, let me know the address,
Thanks, Gil

Gil Causey

Circle Burner · Apr 15, 2004 11:47 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-04 AT 11:56 AM (CDT)
 
Dude, you gotta be kidding. You mean we have to go the remainder of the year without access to high quality Umland kits???

Please tell me your moving closer to Concord, NC. This will certainly make it more convenient for me, did you consider this???

Boy this year is going downhill fast, first no WMD's located, next W. Umland decides to relocate, what's next....four more years for Bush???

grzly23 · Apr 15, 2004 12:17 PM

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>>
>Boy this year is going downhill fast, first no WMD's
>located, next W. Umland decides to relocate, what's
>next....four more years for Bush???
>
>
One can only pray and hope for the blessing of 4 more years of President Bush.

Tom McClain

Circle Burner · Apr 15, 2004 01:12 PM

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Yeah....What a great master of foreign and domestic policy....not!!!!

My vote is for Leonard for President!

grzly23 · Apr 15, 2004 02:15 PM

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>Yeah....What a great master of foreign and domestic
>policy....not!!!!
>
>My vote is for Leonard for President!

If Leonard would run, I would vote for him. Honesty, Integrity, Ethics, Morality, his handshake is his bond. Leonard is a return to sanity unlike some who have come to the Presidency in recent history. Leonard could be trusted to defend American as only a real American could and would.

Tom McClain

catdaddy · Apr 15, 2004 03:53 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-04 AT 03:58 PM (CDT)
 
Yes how true. My vote would be for the guy that ACTUALLY fought in a war defending this country with his life. That trumps anything else, period.
For a VET to vote otherwise is simply wrong.

regards,
Rick "catdaddy" Blankenship
p.s.
Yes Col. I voted for Bush 1 and Dole for that reason alone.

grzly23 · Apr 15, 2004 05:01 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-04 AT 05:05 PM (CDT)
 
>Yes how true. My vote would be for the guy that ACTUALLY
>fought in a war defending this country with his life. That
>trumps anything else, period.
>For a VET to vote otherwise is simply wrong.
>
>regards,
>Rick "catdaddy" Blankenship
>p.s.
>Yes Col. I voted for Bush 1 and Dole for that reason alone.
Rick,

I cannot contenance Senator Kerry's attacks on his fellow VietNam Vets where he accused them of being "baby murderers, torturers, rapists, and indiscriminately killing 200,000 South Vietnamese each year" and worst after he returned after 4 months in VietNam. My brother served there during the Tet Offensive in 1968 and he and over 99% of the rest of Americans that served in VietNam never committed the atrocities that the good Senator accused him and the rest of doing. Senator Kerry is either a liar, a fool or ignorant. His record in the Senate for the last 19 years shows a consistent record of denying the military the funds, programs and weapons systems, ie B-1, B-2, F-15, F-16, F-22, M-1 Abrams tank, Bradly Fighting Vehicle, Harrier Jump Jet, pay raises, etc., that were needed and now are part of the American fighting machine. He would, his own words, hand our soveriegnty over to the UN.

If you or others do not want to take my word for the above, check the Senate and Congressional record. It is documented fact.

The choice in November couldn't be clearer. President Bush is the man for the job. Not Senator Kerry.

PS It is disappointing that Circle Burner politicized Walter's message. I thought we had all agreed to keep this kind of stuff over in RC Watch in the Trashcan. But, since CB put it here, I will not let him go unanswered anymore that I did the earlier mistaken diatribes that were posted.

Tom McClain

Circle Burner · Apr 15, 2004 05:17 PM

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-04 AT 05:34 PM (CDT)
 
If you can't have a little fun what's the point. Hell even the Pres had some fun in the news conference the other night. Plus your the dude that just wrote a full page summary on your love for Bush!

"Boy this year is going downhill fast, first no WMD's located, next W. Umland decides to relocate, what's next....four more years for Bush???"

Yeah that statement was really meant to be taken serious, maybe I needed 8 smiling faces to prove it was meant to be funny!!!



WINGWALK · Apr 15, 2004 07:25 PM

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So Walter,

Can I now tell my buddies where you are moving to? You didn't say it here and I have been holding it in for so long now...

You have to keep my room open for me when I come to visit. I'll be happy to head that way and may even stay because there are so many more flyable days there compared to here. Was that a big enough brick Walter or do you think a better hint is in order?


Kirk

builditright · Apr 15, 2004 09:29 PM

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>So Walter,
>
>Can I now tell my buddies where you are moving to? You
>didn't say it here and I have been holding it in for so long
>now...
>
>You have to keep my room open for me when I come to visit.
>I'll be happy to head that way and may even stay because
>there are so many more flyable days there compared to here.
>Was that a big enough brick Walter or do you think a better
>hint is in order?
>
>
>Kirk


OK guys sorry that I forgot to say where we were going....but
Orange
you glad there are more flyable days ahead


we're going to Palm Coast Florida, it's a city north of Daytona.

best part of the move will be when I want to fly I will have two clubs and a bunch of guys to fly and fellowship with.
now thats not to say I dont appreciate with the crew up here it's just that flying will be minutes away not hours.

no matter where I live I am thankful for the friendships I have made and I will cherish them always.

Thank You and God Bless
Walter Umland
aka / builditright
please visit my web
http://www.builtrightflyright.net

CLiner · Apr 15, 2004 10:25 PM

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Walt,
We welcome you to Florida.
Roger
SpaceCoast AeroModelers

Roger V

otshodges · Apr 16, 2004 08:29 AM

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Walter:

Elated to hear that you are moving to Palm Coast!!! Not sure if you knew it or not, but I live in Palm Coast. Give me a call when you get here (386 445-4288) and I will be glad to give you the Deluxe 50 Cent Tour. Of course, we will instantly change your X47 Flyer status from Associate Member to full fledged, dyed in the wool member. (That and 75 cents will get you a cup of coffee at the Bunnell Diner, but it is a good cup of coffee.)

Please let me know when you get here. Holler if I can be of any help with the unloading/unpacking process.

Bill Hodges

grzly23 · Apr 15, 2004 07:53 PM

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>If you can't have a little fun what's the point. Hell even
>the Pres had some fun in the news conference the other
>night. Plus your the dude that just wrote a full page
>summary on your love for Bush!
>
>"Boy this year is going downhill fast, first no WMD's
>located, next W. Umland decides to relocate, what's
>next....four more years for Bush???"
>
>Yeah that statement was really meant to be taken serious,
>maybe I needed 8 smiling faces to prove it was meant to be
>funny!!!
>
>
>
>
Strange, I don't remember writing a full page on President Bush. I do remember discussing the merits of Senator Kerry.

Tom McClain

mcm · Apr 15, 2004 07:37 PM

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I must say, I think Kerry was right, when it comes to the Bradley. I'd rather ride into battle in a chevy pickup.

Steve Scott · Apr 15, 2004 09:39 PM

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>I must say, I think Kerry was right, when it comes to the
>Bradley. I'd rather ride into battle in a chevy pickup.

This whole bit about so-and-so being AGAINST all weapons systems is nothing but spin. I was active duty working in weapons systems acquisition when Carter gave a thumbs down on the B-1. Many of his detractors would say he killed our national security! Couldn't be further from the truth. What Carter did was cancel the production phase of the B-1A. He kept the R&D funding alive but also pressed for greater focus on stand-off precision weapons which did not need an expensive manned bomber which had to penetrate an enemy's fortified defenses.

Congress tacks all kinds of pork onto each spending bill. Shoot man, the Pentagon already has ADMITTED not being able to account for over one trillion dollars of funding (perhaps as high as $2.5 trillion) to date. I salute those who excercise some bit of scrutiny over what gets spent. A classic case was the B-2. The Pentagon didn't want a whole fleet of these since it would have siphoned badly needed funds away from things they REALLY wanted. The Reagan administration insisted they get the additional bombers.

SDI/Star Wars? Tell me wow would that have prevented 9-11?

I just happen to one of the many (possibly a majority) of anti-Bush veterans.

grzly23 · Apr 15, 2004 09:54 PM

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>>I must say, I think Kerry was right, when it comes to the
>>Bradley. I'd rather ride into battle in a chevy pickup.
>
>This whole bit about so-and-so being AGAINST all weapons
>systems is nothing but spin. I was active duty working in
>weapons systems acquisition when Carter gave a thumbs down
>on the B-1. Many of his detractors would say he killed our
>national security! Couldn't be further from the truth.
>What Carter did was cancel the production phase of the B-1A.
> He kept the R&D funding alive but also pressed for greater
>focus on stand-off precision weapons which did not need an
>expensive manned bomber which had to penetrate an enemy's
>fortified defenses.
>
>Congress tacks all kinds of pork onto each spending bill.
>Shoot man, the Pentagon already has ADMITTED not being able
>to account for over one trillion dollars of funding (perhaps
>as high as $2.5 trillion) to date. I salute those who
>excercise some bit of scrutiny over what gets spent. A
>classic case was the B-2. The Pentagon didn't want a whole
>fleet of these since it would have siphoned badly needed
>funds away from things they REALLY wanted. The Reagan
>administration insisted they get the additional bombers.
>
>SDI/Star Wars? Tell me wow would that have prevented 9-11?
>
>I just happen to one of the many (possibly a majority) of
>anti-Bush veterans.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Your facts are innuendo and baseless tripe. I was active duty Air Force when the funds for the B-2 were supposed to be appropriated. The original buy was 132. The Democratic controlled Congress stepped in and cut it to 60, then 40 and then to the present 21. The Air Force never asked for the program to be cut.

Reagan brought the B-1 back from the grave. Carter had effectively killed it and only left funds for the 4 preproduction test birds to fly at Edwards. The production tooling was nearly destroyed, but for President Reagan's intervention.

President Carter was inept and nearly tipped the military balance in favor of the Soviet Union when he pronounced the justification for the B-1 cancellation as the advent of the Stealth Bomber, which the Soviets had no idea we were building.

No, you are not a majority, only a very vocal and misguided minority.

Tom McClain

Steve Scott · Apr 16, 2004 11:03 AM

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>>I just happen to one of the many (possibly a majority) of
>>anti-Bush veterans.
>
>You have no idea what you are talking about. Your facts are
>innuendo and baseless tripe.

Well Col McClain, you are certainly welcome to your opinion but my facts happen to be based on my tenure in the deep dark corridors of the weapons systems acquisition programs for USAF in the '70s and '80s. I was ESD, not ASD but the details/politics of the all the large weapons programs were equally well known.

I haven't criticized your professional experience and you are certainly entitled to your opinions. I'd appreciate your respect for my views. Carter did indeed cancel production of the B-1A. He did not "kill" the program. As I mentioned, the R&D funding was kept alive and led to the further development of LO technologies such as those employed by several of our subsequent systems. In fact, when the B-1 production was resurrected by Reagan, the B-1B was far more stealthy than the B-1A Carter cancelled. One of my servicemates was on the B-1B program so I'm afraid I do have 2nd hand knowledge of the immense problems with even the "improved" version. Due to the amount of time he spent in Alamagordo, I'd say there were indeed some pretty serious problems with the aircraft.

>I was active duty Air Force
>when the funds for the B-2 were supposed to be appropriated.
> The original buy was 132. The Democratic controlled
>Congress stepped in and cut it to 60, then 40 and then to
>the present 21. The Air Force never asked for the program
>to be cut.
>
>Reagan brought the B-1 back from the grave.

There are many of us who felt it should have been left there. Yes, it's a very impressive noise maker at airshows but it took a major redirection to alter it's mission from a purely nuclear one. If you remember, it sat on the sidelines during PGW-1.

>Carter had effectively killed it and only left funds for the 4
>preproduction test birds to fly at Edwards. The production
>tooling was nearly destroyed, but for President Reagan's
>intervention.

The B-1B was an vastly different bird than the B-1A.

>President Carter was inept and nearly tipped the military
>balance in favor of the Soviet Union when he pronounced the
>justification for the B-1 cancellation as the advent of the
>Stealth Bomber, which the Soviets had no idea we were
>building.

The Soviets at that time were never seriously in a position to challenge us militarily. Their systems were poorly integrated and their command structure was largely corrupt. Take the vaunted MiG-25 Lt. Belinko defected with to Japan. Was that example a deliberate "plant" or was that airplane actually as crude as we found it to be? It's avionics still had vacuum tube components! Here was an aircraft designed purely to counter our B-70. After we cancelled that program, the Soviets had themselves a high speed, high altitude interceptor - with absolutely nothing at that altitude left to fight. Only their arrogance pushed ahead for that system. Said arrogance was what largely caused them to reach fiscal meltdown.

Besides, Carter was forced to disclose work on the stealth bomber since it was the Republican pols who were incessantly criticizing him for not paying enough attention to strategic defense systems.

I wouldn't call Carter inept. He wasn't a brilliant politician but he was indeed a very bright person. I was commissioned under the Carter administration and was immediately involved in the massive overhaul of our command and control infrastructure. Had we not focused on modernizing our C3I systems, we would have been as badly off as the Soviets were.

>No, you are not a majority, only a very vocal and misguided
>minority.

There you go again. I think you'll agree opinions regarding this upcoming election are varied and diverse. With polling data showing 60% of the voters UNHAPPY with the direction of the country, my views are hardly a "misguided minority". As a taxpayer who has a couple of kids approaching both military service age and college, I have some very strong views about our national priorities and current role in world affairs. I've yet to hear anyone substantiate Saddam's link to al Qaeda or 9-11.

And I think it's about time to close this particular discussion. After all, I've got some balsa to glue.

grzly23 · Apr 16, 2004 11:47 AM

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Yes, let's let this end. Over a year ago, after another round of politics in what should be about CL, we all agreed to stay to CL exclusively. We have enough disagreements in that arena alone.

Tom McClain

builditright · Apr 16, 2004 02:22 PM

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>Yes, let's let this end. Over a year ago, after another
>round of politics in what should be about CL, we all agreed
>to stay to CL exclusively. We have enough disagreements in
>that arena alone.


thank you

Thank You and God Bless
Walter Umland
aka / builditright
please visit my web
http://www.builtrightflyright.net

Circle Burner · Apr 16, 2004 02:39 PM

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Thank God to the end of that, it was like a "When Control Liners Attack Video"

Mr Umland will you keep us updated on your inventory? And good luck in Florida, I hear it's nice!!!

Thanks
John

jaco · Apr 16, 2004 12:10 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-16-04 AT 00:13 AM (CDT)
 

Walt,

El Diablo is nearly ready......right?
can't wait for it.


billbyles · Apr 15, 2004 08:33 PM

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>>>
>>Boy this year is going downhill fast, first no WMD's
>>located, next W. Umland decides to relocate, what's
>>next....four more years for Bush???
>>
>>
>One can only pray and hope for the blessing of 4 more years
>of President Bush.

Tom,

Amen!

Bill Byles

builditright · Apr 15, 2004 10:00 PM

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Gee guys how did we get onto Politics ???

Thank You and God Bless
Walter Umland
aka / builditright
please visit my web
http://www.builtrightflyright.net

grzly23 · Apr 16, 2004 04:21 AM

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>Gee guys how did we get onto Politics ???

Yes Walter,

That is a good question. Sorry to hear about your move. Good Luck and hope you are back up in business soon.

Tom McClain

Circle Burner · Apr 16, 2004 07:08 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-16-04 AT 07:19 AM (CDT)
 
Wow, moving to Florida. That's great Walter! Please have the shop built asap and don't make me go back to building die-cut kits!

As far as the politics, I started that as a joke. ....really honest! Well at least everyone knows your moving now!

John

WINGWALK · Apr 16, 2004 06:27 PM

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WHEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!


Kirk

builditright · Apr 16, 2004 07:04 PM

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>Wow, moving to Florida. That's great Walter! Please have the
>shop built asap and don't make me go back to building
>die-cut kits!
>
>As far as the politics, I started that as a joke. ....really
>honest! Well at least everyone knows your moving now!
>
>John


I'm willing to feed any Volunteers.......Hummmmm......
can you swing a hammer??

Thank You and God Bless
Walter Umland
aka / builditright
please visit my web
http://www.builtrightflyright.net

Circle Burner · Apr 16, 2004 07:57 PM

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Walter, you give me some notice and I will come down and help!

You just say when!

John

builditright · Apr 16, 2004 10:00 PM

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>Walter, you give me some notice and I will come down and
>help!
>
>You just say when!
>
>John


looks like a pizza party in the works. LOL !

Thank You and God Bless
Walter Umland
aka / builditright
please visit my web
http://www.builtrightflyright.net

CLiner · Apr 17, 2004 06:56 AM

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LAST EDITED ON Apr-17-04 AT 06:58 AM (CDT)
 
>>Walter, you give me some notice and I will come down and
>>help!
>>
>>You just say when!
>>
>>John
>
>
>looks like a pizza party in the works. LOL !
>

Yeah, I'll do most anything for pizza,
But -
Are all the parts for the new shop- "Laser Cut?"
Roger

Roger V

builditright · Apr 17, 2004 12:36 PM

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>Yeah, I'll do most anything for pizza,
>But -
> Are all the parts for the new shop- "Laser Cut?"
>Roger

we can do that, However I will need a little extra development time

Thank You and God Bless
Walter Umland
aka / builditright
please visit my web
http://www.builtrightflyright.net