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Ty Marcucci · Oct 09, 2001 03:24 AM

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Does anyone out there have the dimensions of the stab and elevator for the Magician 35? I am in the process of scratch building one from the kit plans (not the Midwest kit, but the company that sold out to Midwest-name slips my mind at 3:30 am). The outline of the tips is on the plans, but not the span. I have the chord for both. Thanks. Ty

SteveD · Oct 09, 2001 07:05 AM

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Wow;
Didn't even know somebody other than Midwest made that bird. If it helps the span for the Midwest version's stab is twenty inches. Height of the rudder is four and a quarter. Hope this helps. Steve D.

Ty M. · Oct 09, 2001 12:10 PM

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Thanks Steve. I guessed at that span. I have made the rudder slightly larger than the plan. Technical Model Products was the make of the plans/kit I have. It is identical to the Midwest Magician. All the ones I built were Midwest, but I did have one by TMP that I traded a long time ago for two Flite Streaks. I'm still not sure who got the better end of that deal:-). Ty

Warren · Oct 09, 2001 08:00 AM

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Ty,

I have one of the original Magicians from a kit produced by Technical Model Products Co. in Pittsburg, PA. The plane has to be over 25 years old, is is still flying today, however I'm a little concerned about what the cable connections to the bellcrank look like. Everything was soldered back in those days.

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For space reasons, the full stab is NOT shown on the plans, but measuring directly off the plane, the stab span is 20". The stab-elevator chord is 4 1/2".

You'll notice in the photo, that I changed the nose to an upright engine installation. This is a change that I highly recommend. It has so many pluses going for it, including better engine runs, a much better tank installation, and lower vibration. The idea came from an old AAM article by Lou McFarland. It's very simple to do. Basically just a 1/4" ply motor mount, a couple of 1/8" ply bulkheads, and some balsa filler blocks. If you would like the details, email me. Of course, if you want to keep the plane authentic to the original design, than this modification is out.

Cheers,

Warren

Ty M. · Oct 09, 2001 12:05 PM

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Thanks Warren. I love that blue silk? I am adding a weight box and sliding leadouts. I guessed the span might be about 20% of the wing span and I was right. Thanks to all for confirming it. Now to cut some balsa. I have some other alterations and would like the info on the upright engine. Ty

Ty M. · Oct 09, 2001 12:07 PM

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Should had my coffee first, then e-mail. That is 40% of the wing span, which gives close to 20" stab span. My mistake. Ty

Warren · Oct 11, 2001 10:11 PM

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Ty,

Your email ICON doesn't appear to be working properly. Check your profile info and contact Leonard if necessary.

I would be a good idea to email me for the files, that way I won't forget.

Cheers,

Warren

SteveD · Oct 09, 2001 08:57 PM

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Warren
Could you please give more info on the upright engine install? Another Magician is on the build list this winter. Do like how they fly. Thanks Steve D.

Currell · Oct 09, 2001 11:06 PM

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Warren: Very sharp color combination. Currell

Warren · Oct 11, 2001 09:49 PM

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Sorry for the delay, but it took me a while to find the materials and scan them.

But, you're in luck....not only did I find the original McFarland article, but I found the template that I used to make the new motor mount. I drew around the template with a felt tip pen to make it legible in the scan, so it is slighly oversized.

In order to preserve detail in the scanned magazine article, the file ended up too large to get under Len's 50kb maximum, so please email me if you are interested, and I will email you the two files.

Leonard fixed the email icon in the heading for me, so now it's working. ([email protected])

A couple of points:

- The original article DID use 1/4" x 3/8" maple mounts. I used 5/16" plywood, which allows you to bring the motot mount all the way back kto the leading edge of the wing. There is probably a weight penalty using the plywood, but I still ended up adding a 1/2 ounce of lead to the nose for proper CG.

- The inspiration for the 1/4" plywood mount came from Al Rabe's MUSTUNT article in the Feb 1973 issues of American Aircraft Modeler. This is an excellant article for the upright nose configuration as well as a wealth of other building information.

Also, with this nose modification, it's very practical to blend it into a spinner if that fits your tastes.

Incidently, the blue on the wing is transparent Monocote, and the blue on the fuselage is good old Aero Gloss, Curtiss Blue, I believe.

Contact me if you need additional information.

Have fun.

Warren Wagner

afml · Oct 12, 2001 09:26 AM

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Pertaiining to the info on the upright engine Magician:
Al Rabe used a similar technique on his Mustunt I stunter.
"Try it, you'll like it!"
Good luck!
Wes

Warren · Oct 12, 2001 01:04 PM

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As I have thought more about it, I finally remembered what I did (it was many, many years ago). The motivation for doing the surgery and modifying the nose of my Magician did come from the Lew McFarland column, but the actual construction details I got from the MUSTUNT artile by Al Rabe, which did use the 1/4" plywood for the motor mount.

Here are a couple of pics out of the Mustunt article publish in the Feb '73 American Aircraft Modeler.

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This shot of the nose on the plans may not show good detail because of the file size limitation. If you want a larger, more detailed pic let me know, and I will email it to you.

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Again, I highly recommend this type of an engine and tank installation on a profile fuselage....either modifying a existing side mounted engine, or on new construction. The benefits far outway the small amount of extra work. It was the best thing I ever did to my Magician.

Good luck,

Warren Wagner