intro and question

Hi everyone,
A lot of you guys know me cause I've been a modeler for many years. I flew combat more than anything else and would like to agian but there is not as much going on so I am doing stunt.
My question is, when was the midwest Mustang first made. It's the one in the series with the P39. It has about a 50" span, full flaps and is profile. I want to know if it is OTS leagal. I have one all built but needs work on it and would be quicker than building something new. Hope to see you all at the meets DAN

>Hi everyone,

>My question is, when was the midwest Mustang first made.
>It's the one in the series with the P39. It has about a 50"
>span, full flaps and is profile. I want to know if it is OTS
>leagal.

DAN

(Snip, snip...)

No way, no how. Sorry.

It is legal for Classic, however.

LAST EDITED ON Apr-30-04 AT 02:04 PM (CDT)
 
Try "speed limit" Combat.
On the '51, negative as you have already been told. It appeared very late '60s.

Jake

I believe it came out around 1970. that's about when I built mine; and the rudder decal was, oddly enough "1970". Of course I could be wrong.

Bob

P.S. The kit wood was heavy then. A new plane might take longer to build , but it could fly better also.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, I believe none of these Midwest kits are legal for classic. The first plane to appear in print was the King Cobra, then the ME 109, these came out in May and June 1969. I have built 3 109s, a Tony and one kit Cobra. The Tony was published in early 1970 Flying Models. Flying Models numbered their plans I beleive in the order they received the articles but didn't publish them in the order they were received. The Tony is CF-177 and Dick Mathis's 1000 Grand FF design is CF-178, published in Feb 67. Also there are many typos in Flying Models. Jack Sheeks ME 109 is listed in the Scale RC section as CF-185, 4-70 FM and was fixed by 1974. All these planes use the same basic wing, the kit wings are different, I think they are a bit smaller with a thinner airfoil and a different LE. The kits appeared on the market late 1970 and early 1971 around Christmas time. The Mustang was the last of the series and was marketed in 1971 near the end of summer, it was never a published design. Also there are some changes from the original plans verses the kit plans. If these planes are scratch built they seem to be lighter. Bill Darkow loved the kit version of the Cobra. The Tony has LG mounted in the wing and should be beefed up a bit as it will rip out easily on grass. I used an Enya .35 with half the venturi plugged on one 109 and the last one had a Max 35s. I hadn't flown cl for years and decided to take it out, the last 109 was built in the early 1980s, one evening. After the crash the lines I used said 60ft, when measured they were 72ft. Lesson on that one is still fresh. If you are an intermediate flyer and wanted to fly in classic I would bet no one would care that much. I would like to see some designs added to the list of OT and classic models, as no one is going to build them if they aren't "winners", the designs would continue to be "kept" alive. This series of planes are still favorites and will be for some time. They are still great flyers, all of mine had Moneycote on them and painted bodies. Jim J.

I have seen and flown the Cobra and Messerscmitt in Classic at contests.

If the design was in existence by the end of 1969, it is legal. Classic models do NOT have to be published or kitted like the John Miske GSCB OTS event. This is a popular misconception. Go fly your model in Classic and have fun.

I flew my Midwest Cobra at VSC I and II, Mike Keville and Tom Dixon had no problem with it, and they created the event. Who cut the wood, as in a kit, is not a disqualifying factor, whether it comes within the fidelity rules is the criteria that should be used.

Chris...

I guess I was trying to point out that the scratch versions and kit versions are a bit different. If some one wants to fly these in classic it is fine by me. I prefer to build from plans and for sure they are legal. I still think the PDQ Circus King should be eligble for OT but the kit came out in early 1954....same designer as the Ringmaster. There are many border line models out there...but what the heck, this is supposed to be fun. Some of us historians get carried away...sorry. I can still say the kits came out after the cut off...the Mustang is not "legal". But the Cobra and 109 would have no problems. The Tony was designed before the cut-off and just didn't make it into publication. The Billy Simons Shoestring and Bob Lampione's United are examples of classic legal designs that were published after the cut-off. The Sig Banshee is another plane that is on the edge of the cut-off. I first saw it in 1969-70 but can't really remember which year. Bruce Hunt flew one in classic, with some question but no one cared, he did real well with that plane. In fact he kicked butt. Jim J