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Ion Muniz · May 17, 2004 03:25 AM

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In order to tuck the pipe in the chizler it'll have to lay against the bottomof the wing inside the fuse.

I think some kind ofmaterial to insulate the heat and dampen any vibrations wouldbe in order.

Some lite ply? with a couple of fuel lines cut in hallf?

TIA<

Ion

Bill Little · May 17, 2004 07:33 AM

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Hi Ion,
Don't know exactly what you could use as an insulator in this situation, but I am sure that with the pipe that close, you will develope hot spots on the pipe. At least an enclosed pipe on a mount has some air flow between the pipe and fuselage. I have seen several set ups over the years where the pipe was fully exposed. Other than "looks", nothing else appeared to be affected.
Bill <><

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

LNeumann · May 17, 2004 09:25 AM

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>In order to tuck the pipe in the chizler it'll have to lay
>against the bottomof the wing inside the fuse.
>
>I think some kind ofmaterial to insulate the heat and
>dampen any vibrations wouldbe in order.
>
>Some lite ply? with a couple of fuel lines cut in hallf?
>
>TIA<
>
>Ion
>

Ion, you need to cool that pipe, so you need airflow over (and under) it. You also need to make sure the airflow from the engine goes out that way in order to draw the cooling air through into the pipe location. Most pipes are attached to a mount and pretty well follow the contour of the wing, although they are a bit of a distance away from it. I would suggest that you open the bottom of the fuselage and simply let that remain exposed. You can then drop the pipe away from the wing a bit that way and everything will be happy. Yes, the pipe will be exposed. Yes, you will be see it when you are flying. But, yes, it will work that way.

peabody · May 17, 2004 01:26 PM

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I'm curious, Len....why does the pipe have to be cooled?


See Ya

Peabody

GLBahrman · May 24, 2004 10:46 PM

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Ion,

http://www.centralhobbies.com/building_materials/paint/index.htm

Brush on material to protect from heat. Designed for pipe tunnels etc. CHECK IT OUT

LNeumann · May 24, 2004 11:16 PM

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>Ion,
>
>http://www.centralhobbies.com/building_materials/paint/index.htm
>
>Brush on material to protect from heat. Designed for pipe
>tunnels etc. CHECK IT OUT

Do We really need that? With our carbon fiber pipes we need to keep the air flowing all around the pipe. It shouldn't get close enough to anything to cause a problem. Maybe a speed plane with a closely mounted metal pipe is different. Or a Dynajet? I can't see where we would need it, however.

Bill Little · May 25, 2004 07:31 AM

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Hi Leonard,
We had a paint bubble underneath the header on the bottom of the tank compartment floor on the Geo XL from heat. Probably 1/2", or more, clearance there. First time we have seen this, but the engine does not have a cooling problem. That heat resistant coating just might have a use. IIRC, Derek Barry's plane at Marietta had a tank heat problem where the header passed over it.
Bill <><

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

LNeumann · May 25, 2004 07:56 AM

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>Hi Leonard,
>We had a paint bubble underneath the header on the bottom of
>the tank compartment floor on the Geo XL from heat.
>Probably 1/2", or more, clearance there. First time we have
>seen this, but the engine does not have a cooling problem.
>That heat resistant coating just might have a use. IIRC,
>Derek Barry's plane at Marietta had a tank heat problem
>where the header passed over it.
>Bill <><

I can see a tank heat problem if you are too close to the tank. It sounds like you don't have enough air passing through the pipe compartment, however. Where does your air exit. Too often people exit the air before it gets to the header and pipe. The engine does OK, but the pipe overheats. Ask Ted to comment about this. As I recall a little tape over the air exit holes in his cowel solved the problem.

Bill Little · May 25, 2004 08:01 AM

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The pipe opening, itself, is the only outlet. Only hole in the cowl is the intake opening. Engine and pipe are not showing signs of overheating (and it was an abnormally hot day), but the paint on the bottom of the front edge of the tank compartment bubbled. It is epoxy coated underneath the paint, so nothing was harmed, but that is probably the hottest part of the whole set up. I believe it was just the auto acrlyic lacquer couldn't stand the heat.
Derek's problem was solved, short term, by putting a piece of balsa over the tank to act as a shield.
Bill <><

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

Randy Smith · May 25, 2004 03:57 PM

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>Hi Leonard,
>We had a paint bubble underneath the header on the bottom of
>the tank compartment floor on the Geo XL from heat.
>Probably 1/2", or more, clearance there. First time we have
>seen this, but the engine does not have a cooling problem.
>That heat resistant coating just might have a use. IIRC,
>Derek Barry's plane at Marietta had a tank heat problem
>where the header passed over it.
>Bill <><
>

Bill

His heat problem was not where the header passed over it. his heat problem was where the header was fully touching and digging into the fuel tank... This has not been much of a problem, if you pay attention to air going thru the tunnel with the pipe,header not touching.

Regards

Randy

Bill Little · May 25, 2004 05:09 PM

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Thanks, Randy! I forgot that it was actually touching. More concerned at the time with our set ups, but was watching, listening, and learning, too.
Bill <><

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

aaronl · May 25, 2004 07:17 AM

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>I'm curious, Len....why does the pipe have to be cooled?


I think that you need to keep it cool to extend the life of the pipe itself.

I do not think that the pipe getting hot will mess up the engine run but I could be wrong.

Anyone else??

a.l.

Bill Little · May 25, 2004 07:32 AM

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That's all the reason I have heard, so far. Of course, I ain't no * * scientist! LOL!!
Bill <><

When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
Japanese Proverb

LNeumann · May 25, 2004 08:03 AM

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>
>>I'm curious, Len....why does the pipe have to be cooled?
>
>
>I think that you need to keep it cool to extend the life of
>the pipe itself.
>
>I do not think that the pipe getting hot will mess up the
>engine run but I could be wrong.

Yes, on the money! Carbon pipes can char if they get too hot and they also tend to carbon up inside. This has been the biggest problem we have noticed. Even though the pipe has not cooked (nor has the paint in the tunnel) there is build up in both the header and the pipe that accumulates and eventually chokes off the power, plus the potential of doing other strange things to the engine. It is good (so we have discovered) to take the assembly off periodically and check and even clean it. As long as you have good cooling it is more of a problem with the header than the pipe, but if the pipe is not cooled, bad things can happen to the pipe.

As mentioned in another response on this thread, ask Ted to respond to this some time (or right now).

John Sunderland · May 26, 2004 11:39 PM

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You can burn and weaken the baffle where it joins the pipe inner wall also. Wish somebody had a picture of the pipe Ted burned a few years back at the Nats. Different reasons for why it coooked but they surely can. I could be wrong but I think the same engine finished the week
John Sunderland