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Veco Squaw/Master Stunt Tank History?

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ama353 · May 22, 2004 01:22 AM

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I've recently acquired a Vintage Henry Engineering Squaw kit. The plans list the Span as 39-1/4" and the Area (including flaps) as 285-1/2 Squares. I've always thought it was slightly larger - and, sure enough, a 1958 Veco ad lists the Span as 38" and the Area as 346 Squares. Question: was there more than one version of this kit, or did someone rethink the math?

I was quite surprised to find inside the box a fuel tank - looks like 1-1/2 to 2 ounce capacity, and penciled-in notes on the plans identify it as a Master Stunt Tank. Does anyone here recall these, and were they paired with the kit at one time?

TIA and Thanks SSW!


Dennis

richardskits · May 22, 2004 01:13 PM

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Dennis, I sent you an email with much info on the early and later kits of this model. Please let me know if any other info is needed.

Larry Richards

Kiwi · May 22, 2004 04:17 PM

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LAST EDITED ON May-23-04 AT 00:09 AM (CDT)
 
Oops! Forgot to say that the Master tank was either local to your kit's former owner, or out of production after a short while. I never saw one and I started hanging around hobby shops from 1952 onward.

The first, OTS legal Squaw was smaller than the later one, but I would have to say that my opinion is that the difference was much less than the numbers named above -- more like 325 vs. 350 or so. Anyway, the guy who now refers to himself as "Veco Joe" was a draftsman and graphics artist for Gil Henry in the early 50's period (Joe Wagner). If his name appeared anywhere on the plans or paperwork in any kits that Veco produced back then, I overlooked it (but, hey, that was a long time ago and the only "old" Veco plans that I think that I still have are from kits of the early to mid-1960's).

So it kinda surprised me when Joe claimed full responsibility for the post-1951 Brave/ Chief/ Papoose/ Squaw/ Tomahawk/ Tom-Tom/ Warrior. I still have no idea whether Bob Palmer ever backed him up on that, but AFAIK, Gil Henry has been off the mortal coil for many years now, and he might not have agreed with Wagner (he might've claimed those honors himslef, for all I know).

All of the first series of Veco kits were upgraded over the 1953/1955 period, and later on Veco continued to follow a policy of upgrades to their better-selling kits every few years, somewhat the way that SIG would do it in later years. There were three kits of the Thunderbird, I believe, as an example, but that was the only one I know of that went through that many iterations.

There were also some occasional changes just in the plans themselves, I'm pretty sure. It is my recollection that at one time I had two slightly different versions of the (Wagner) Chief's plan set, one of which was more or less pre-1960, and another one post-1960.

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Kiwi

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richardskits · May 22, 2004 06:49 PM

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A couple of years ago, Joe sent me a letter and noted he worked for Veco from 1949 to 1954. I have several of the original kits that has Joe Wagners name in the upper right corner (Brave) showing designed and drawn by Joe Wagner. Also the Squaw has "designed by Joe Wagner" and drawings by Lee Scott.

Larry Richards

Currell · May 22, 2004 09:34 PM

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I have an Indian-themed box for the Papoose, but no names on the plans. Must not be old enough.

Currell

gcb · May 23, 2004 08:10 PM

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I remember reading somewhere (SMALLnet?) a statement by Joe that after he left VECO, his name was removed from all the plans.

George

Jake · May 23, 2004 08:15 PM

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I remember reading that he said they had a hard time getting rid of the early Papoose kits because they were so ugly.
Joe did a lot of neat work, including the very sweet little Dakota FF biplane which was solely his design.

Jake

"It'll probably feel real good again, once it quits hurting".

gcb · May 24, 2004 06:18 AM

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Jake,

The 1/2A CL Scout is also his design.

Joe sells plans. I got the Scout, Dakota, and his updated Chief (without polywog wing). All include some notes and hints.

George