I wish to apoligize to everyone here!!

Man, I just read some of my own replies on this forum and it just makes me cringe!! You see im not making any excuses, and im taking full responsability for my actions. You see its come to my attention that i may have a drinking problem. Although its ONLY BEER its seems to messing me up quite badly!! So anyways im in the prosess right now of taking care of my problem. This is the best forum on C/l and deserves decent people.Thanks for having me, and who knows? maybe i,ll learn to spell again. - Paul

Recognizing a problem is the first step to fixing it. It takes courge to lay it out before all to see. My respect to you!!!

Greg--Your words of encouragement mean a lot to me, Thanks Friend! Paul

Paul,

Been there, sober now for 14 years by the Grace of God. Hang in there and beat it, you're in my prayers.

I was a beer drinker too, alcohol is alcohol.

Hey Randy, Thanks for your support Buddy!! A lot of good people on this forum. Paul

Step 8-10......wow an eye opener

Since you said "everybody" I guess that includes me. You don't owe me one.
Any kind of "problem" like this is merely the symptom of the root problem(s). Sometimes that is difficult to face and sometimes impossible to fix. That is a harsh truth, but it is true. I wish you well and whatever you do don't sail off into guilt trip and blame land on yourself- that is a huge mistake and it is doomed to fail.

just rember one day at a time

I think the problem is more common than most would admit, and I'll drink to that. Still dealing with it....

I'm just a jerk, no apolgy needed from you to me.

>I'm just a jerk, no apolgy needed from you to me.
>
>From somewhere near Parkville, Mo.
>William Crane
>AMA 6733

I'm right there with you Bro'...

Jake

PS:

"This is the best forum on C/l and deserves decent people.Thanks for having me, and who knows? maybe i,ll learn to spell again. - Paul"

Who the heck said you weren't a decent person? This is bull and see what I said above about going on the blame trip.

Jake,

I agree with you in part about the "guilt trip", the part I agree with is Don't go on one. However, having gone through this myself, I can tell you that its the guilt that brings a person to face his or her problem. To turn and face it head on is a healthy and necessary part of the entire process. Acknowledgement of the issues to others is also a necessary part. I have not been offended by anything Paul may have said, but I understand his need to apologize to all not knowing who may or may not have been offended or put off. The alcoholic haze dulls judgement while internally is seems to sharpen it (to the alcoholic). When the haze clears and the realization sets in, the need to make sure everyone effected is made aware of the remorse one feels is paramount.

So Paul, I'd say feel the guilt and make apologies as you need to, but have the courage to forgive yourself too. Its extremely tough, I can still see the pain in my wife's eyes as if it were a moment ago. I can still see the effects it has on my grown children as they struggle with the disfunction of growing up with a drunk dad. I thank God daily that in 20 years of alcoholic haze I never hurt anyone with my truck or myself with my motorcycle. However, I deal daily with the emotional pain I caused the people I love even after 14 years.

So you see, I still recognize the far reaching consequences of my problem, but I don't carry around the guilt, God has taken care of that for me.

I can feel the love here. You are all a bunch of good guys. Forgiveness is easy.

I'm really going to miss those off-the-wall responses from Paul.

Most of them made me look good.

>I'm really going to miss those off-the-wall responses from
>Paul.
>
>Most of them made me look good.
>
>Dan

Wall, you need something, Dan!

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"Don't sweat the petty things...pet the sweaty things." -Anon.

Larry,

First, quit tagging along with me as I cruise through trying to get caught up.

Second, Tom Morris confirmed just a couple hours ago that July/August Bad Boy Stunt column did indeed come through just fine following another last-minute thrash, problems with a couple floppies, basic incompetence on my part.

>I can feel the love here. You are all a bunch of good guys.
>Forgiveness is easy.

Funny thing:

With all my BLA BLA BLA  posts about Jesus this seems to be the most "Jesus-like" thread I've ever seen on this Forum!

God bless ya all!

Randy,

I understand fully what you are saying, but I don't agree on the guilt part. I have seen this road with family and friends and I want no part of guilt or blame in any way shape or form. May great peace and good attend all you and your family do.

Jake,

Paul has called an end to this which is fine. I do need to say this however as one that has experienced this, not one that's "watched friends and family deal with it", it's different on this side of the fence. I think you missed my point, guilt is real, and it must be dealt with. I'm not advocating going around with a noose around one's neck, if you'll re-read you'll notice I said "have the courage to forgive yourself". When you do that the guilt isn't a trip, its dealt with. I found that denying guilt is pure arrogance, but acknowledgement, asking forgiveness then forgiving one's self deals with it, it puts a closure to it.

I don't want to prolong this, but I feel that understanding this sort of thing is important. Telling someone not to go on a guilt trip is like telling a drug addict to just quit. Both circumstances need to be dealt with not denied, you can't just turn them off.

For me, my wife forgave, my kids forgave, my friends forgave, my Lord forgave and last I forgave myself. That's not a guilt trip, that's how the effects of guilt are relieved.

>Jake,
>
>Paul has called an end to this which is fine. I do need to
>say this however as one that has experienced this, not one
>that's "watched friends and family deal with it", it's
>different on this side of the fence. I think you missed my
>point, guilt is real, and it must be dealt with. I'm not
>advocating going around with a noose around one's neck, if
>you'll re-read you'll notice I said "have the courage to
>forgive yourself". When you do that the guilt isn't a trip,
>its dealt with. I found that denying guilt is pure
>arrogance, but acknowledgement, asking forgiveness then
>forgiving one's self deals with it, it puts a closure to it.
>
>I don't want to prolong this, but I feel that understanding
>this sort of thing is important. Telling someone not to go
>on a guilt trip is like telling a drug addict to just quit.
>Both circumstances need to be dealt with not denied, you
>can't just turn them off.
>
>For me, my wife forgave, my kids forgave, my friends
>forgave, my Lord forgave and last I forgave myself. That's
>not a guilt trip, that's how the effects of guilt are
>relieved.
>
>Randy Ryan
>AMA 8500
>SAM 36
>I fly 'em all and love it!

Again I understand better than you will ever believe. I just don't agree with you and that is the nature of life. I wish you peace.

No problem Jake, we can agree to disagree, but until you've LIVED it you can't understand it.

>>I'm just a jerk, no apolgy needed from you to me.
>>
>>From somewhere near Parkville, Mo.
>>William Crane
>>AMA 6733
>
>
>I'm right there with you Bro'...
>
>Jake

THAT MAKES THREE OF US!

>PS:
>
>"This is the best forum on C/l and deserves decent
>people.Thanks for having me, and who knows? maybe i,ll learn
>to spell again. - Paul"
You're OK. Jake! I'd never be part of any forum that had me as a member,,,

>Who the heck said you weren't a decent person? This is bull
>and see what I said above about going on the blame trip.

Right on ,Jake!

Woah now everyone!! Lets just move on forward and start talking about model airplanes again!! I made my peace, and i fully apreciate all of your impute. Once again Thank You very much to all of my friends here!! Happy flying,--Paul BTW one of these days i,ll learn to type with more than two fingers!