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Jim Pollock · Jun 12, 2004 09:11 PM

Engine Overheating#0 source
What are some good solutions to keep an engine cooler. I know Aero-1 helps, but what other things help besides, more nitro?, more oil?, if so what kind? Engine is an RO Jett Cast case .61 with pipe. The fuel I have been using is 5% Nitro 20% oil, 1/2 Castor 1/2 Synthetic. I need a little help here to keep from melting the front seal.

Ideas Please....

Thanks for all the replies in advance!


Jim Pollock

LNeumann · Jun 12, 2004 10:11 PM

RE: Engine Overheating#1 source
I guess I would check with Richard on this, but, if you have it set up right, I don't see any problems other than getting the proper airflow over it.

WINGWALK · Jun 12, 2004 10:58 PM

RE: Engine Overheating#2 source
Jim,

You and I are using basicly the same set up on your plane and my SV-22. I have the PA-61 but have never had a hot run that I can tell. Maybe we should compare the two and see if there is much of a difference?

Kirk

Brett Buck · Jun 12, 2004 11:06 PM

RE: Engine Overheating#3 source
>What are some good solutions to keep an engine cooler. I
>know Aero-1 helps, but what other things help besides, more
>nitro?, more oil?, if so what kind? Engine is an RO Jett
>Cast case .61 with pipe. The fuel I have been using is 5%
>Nitro 20% oil, 1/2 Castor 1/2 Synthetic. I need a little
>help here to keep from melting the front seal.
>
>Ideas Please....
>
>Thanks for all the replies in advance!

Aye carumba! Why does everybody want to run 5% fuel, particularly in the hot humid weather? Going to 10%, or even better, 15, will let you run it a lot richer and keep it much cooler.

However, if you are *melting* the front seal, I would guess you might have the pipe too short, to the point you are reverse-pumping the engine.

Brdtt

aaronl · Jun 12, 2004 11:25 PM

RE: Engine Overheating#4 source
Is this the same plane you had the PA in?

Did you have the same overheating problem with the PA?

Aaron

Jim Pollock · Jun 13, 2004 07:14 AM

RE: Engine Overheating#5 source
Aaron,

Yup, and Nope.

Guess I will lengthen the pipe somewhat and run some of the 10% fuel I have. When I see Randy at the Nats I hope he has some Aero-1 with him. I'll also add 2-3% synthetic oil to the fuel. I guess the PA's and RO's like things a little different. I could add some castor instead of synthetic I guess.

Thanks,

Jim Pollock

Randy Powell · Jun 13, 2004 06:12 PM

RE: Engine Overheating#10 source
Jim,

How's the air flow?

Jim Pollock · Jun 13, 2004 07:38 PM

RE: Engine Overheating#11 source
Randy,

Airflow was plenty good with the PA. air flow might not be quite as good with the RO since it has a somewhat bigger case but a shorter cylinder.

Jim Pollock

Gary Weaver · Jun 13, 2004 08:26 AM

RE: Engine Overheating#6 source
How do you know your engine is over heating? Lots of air flow over the engine will keep it cool. Running the engine too lean will make it run hot. I fly combat and stunt and have never had a stunt engine run hot. My fuel is 15% nitro with 20% oil. If the propeller diameter is too large or too much pitch I would assume it would over load the engine sorta like driving your car with the emergency brake on it will put an excessive load on the engine.

Gary Weaver [email protected]

Baron · Jun 13, 2004 09:13 AM

RE: Engine Overheating#7 source
What is your pipe length?

Jim Pollock · Jun 13, 2004 02:18 PM

RE: Engine Overheating#8 source
Craig,

My pipe length is set for 10,000 RPM at launch which comes out to around 17&5/8-3/4 inches. I can lengthen the pipe to 17&3/4 without any ill effects I believe. In fact, come to think of it, Rich and I are using the same prop and his is 17&3/4 I believe.

Jim Pollock

Baron · Jun 13, 2004 02:43 PM

RE: Engine Overheatingedited#9 source
I just set mine as Richard recommended. Right on 18". I really don't think pipe length is your problem. New plane? How much outlet for the airflow around engine & pipe? What prop? I have tried a couple of props that overload my .65 and cause it to run hotter. I really like the Eather narrow 3 blade 12 1/2 inch. I'm also using 10% fuel.

Jim Pollock · Jun 13, 2004 07:40 PM

RE: Engine Overheating#12 source
Craig,

The prop is an Eather 121/2" regular blade cut down from 13"

Jim Pollock

Brett Buck · Jun 13, 2004 08:29 PM

RE: Engine Overheating#13 source
>Craig,
>
>My pipe length is set for 10,000 RPM at launch which comes
>out to around 17&5/8-3/4 inches. I can lengthen the pipe to
>17&3/4 without any ill effects I believe. In fact, come to
>think of it, Rich and I are using the same prop and his is
>17&3/4 I believe.
>

Well, then it beats the heck out of me. For reference, I am running 17 3/8" with a launch RPM of 10000-10100, #5 spigot venturi, Eather 12.5-3.9 flat-back "green" and Powermaster R/C fuel.

Brett

Jim Pollock · Jun 14, 2004 07:55 PM

RE: Engine Overheating#14 source
Brett,

Does the Infinity use a case cooling vent like Ted uses on the TP?
My plane doesn't have a case cooling vent and that could indeed be contributing to the heating problem. Unfortunately, I don't have time to make any cooling vents before the Nats and practice too.

Jim Pollock

Iskandar Taib · Jun 14, 2004 08:25 PM

RE: Engine Overheatingedited#15 source
http://www.supercoolprops.com/ARTICLES/ducted_cooling.htm

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Brett Buck · Jun 14, 2004 09:20 PM

RE: Engine Overheating#16 source
>Brett,
>
>Does the Infinity use a case cooling vent like Ted uses on
>the TP?
>My plane doesn't have a case cooling vent and that could
>indeed be contributing to the heating problem.
>Unfortunately, I don't have time to make any cooling vents
>before the Nats and practice too.
>

I actually have 50% more cooling vents. But there's no way that's making any difference - the case on my engine is actually cooler than ambient while it's running.

Brett

PJ · Jun 15, 2004 11:17 AM

RE: Engine Overheating#17 source
I had an overheating problem a while ago, and it was simple as cutting a larger hole for the airflow out the back.

You have the front end, where the engine head sits, then a rear hole, then the pipe tunnel.

Try making the 2nd hole ( which is located above the tank ) slightyl larger..

It might not be fuel related.

Someone once told me the volume of air through that 2nd hole should be atleast double what the volume of ait throught the front of the cowl should be.
Not sure what truth there is to that, however as I said, a I did have that problem a few years ago my 2nd Vent opening was only 2" long

Jeff W · Jun 17, 2004 10:30 PM

RE: Engine Overheating#18 source

Lots of great advice here but don't forget those basic, magic words mentioned by several people: 'How's the airflow?'. I fought a temp problem for weeks last spring until I took some good advice and taped over about 2/3 or the air inlet. I had too much intake for the outlets and the result was little airFLOW. The real question is how much airflow is forced past the cylinder barrel? That's the source of the fire. Control that and all the other temps should be less of a challenge. A "Rabe Baffle" costs nothing but a few minutes and an aluminum can and can really help.

It's all important but it's so easy to fight the sophisticated when the simple things are the problem!

Jeff W