Tim McTigue · Jul 11, 2004 08:19 PM
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MAAC 65703
Stuka Stunt Main Forum · 30 of 30 known posts recovered
Tim
MAAC 65703
Sometimes its helpful to have some disposable profile jobs around for just such a learning contingency.
At least it happened over grass-I've done that over pavement more times than I can remember-but over grass, your motor should be okay.
You learned loads on this smoothie, your next construction job will be better.
Steve
Well, I do still have my Ukey 40, which I can press into service without too much trouble, and I'm within 2 weeks, I think, of finishing my All-American Senior, plus I have a Phoenix 2 that just needs color to finish, and a half-finished Twister that perhaps I'll step up in an effort to get done. Then, I also have a Flite Streak that just needs an inboard wing rebuild, and an OS FP 25 to put on it, so hopefully I'll be back in the air in fairly short order, but it darn near broke my heart to lose that Smoothie. I will build another one eventually, I think, and you're right... the next one will be better!
Here's a pic of my latest progress on the AA. Sr...
Tim
MAAC 65703
Greg L. Bahrman
I used to like painting with dope but now I can't remember why. Steve Fauble
(You can see why Peabody suggests that a benefit of using monokote instead of silkspan is that you end up with a "handy carrying bag" for the wreckage.) 
Let me ask - did you enter the outside loop inverted? It's really quite a bit easier to learn that way (IMO). I killed at least 6 ships trying to do outside loops from upright, entry at the top of the circle. The problem for me was not that I wasn't going high enough, it was that I was chickening out!
One day I had a Twister and held hard down on it, and it did the outside loop just fine. I was all excited about it, and about that time Bill Melton walked over and asked me why I was doing the outside loop THAT way? He pointed out that with the inverted entry, it was just another loop, like an inside loop. So I tried it and was amazed at how well it worked! 
There is a good "trick" I'll tell you about, Tim. You might already know all about it. You remember how Ted Fancher did a bunch of 'tion ships? Like the Citation, Excitation, Imitation, First Edition, etc. Well, there's one that ANYONE can fly and practice with, I called mine Imagination. Yes, it is an imaginary airplane!
Try not to let your neighbors see you out in the yard flying the Imagination. They might call the guys in the white coats. (HINT: Also, keep your engine sounds imaginary as well, Tim!)
Laugh, but it definitely works. Rehearsh with the imaginary airplane, until you feel like you are PUSHING the ship where you want it to fly. Then next time you are on the Smoothie, your reflexes will be partially trained!
I read where there were three control groups of basketball players who physically practiced, thought about practicing, and didn't practice at all. It turned out that the group who thought about practicing did very nearly as well as the ones who actually practiced. (The ones who did nothing got their butts handed to them, of course.)
Mind over matter.
It's a shame about the Smoothie. Time to start on another one!
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"True enjoyment comes from activity of the mind and exercise of the body; the two are ever united." -Humboldt
I am sorry about the demise of your Smoothie. Especially because you made us witness of its history from the beginning and I think this plane meant a lot to you.
Allthough Smoothie will have tought you a lot building and flying it I am sure more was to be had if it had survived somewhat longer. There is a lot of good advise in this thread on how to proceed both regarding the aircraft you use for learning the pattern and about how to fly specific manouvres.
And don't be shy doing the mental exercises suggested by Larry. I have done them over and over again and am sure it helps a lot also because it is a safe way to practice 'emergencies'.
I am sure you will take these advises seriously to prevent such a thing from happening again allthough it is always good to be prepared for the inevitable.
Rgds, Bram
Thanks for the commiseration. You should know that, yes, I entered the outside loop from inverted, and yes, I have been doing lazy-8's for a while now. Last year I started flying a simple pattern consisting of
1. Two non-reverse wingovers
2. Four consecutive inside loops
3. Two consecutive lazy-8's
4. Six inverted laps
I flew that pattern most of last summer, and I was getting pretty comfortable with it. I don't think I had a major crash all last season. Well, yes, I did crash my Flite Streak but that was due to catching a line on takeoff. I continued flying that pattern this spring, and once I saw how nicely the Smoothie was flying, it gave me extra confidence to try new things. I was getting really comfortable with inverted flight, so last night I decided to try a new pattern...
1. Two non-reverse wingovers
2. Three consecutive inside loops, recover inverted
3. Six inverted laps
4. Three (maybe consecutive) outside loops, recover upright
Then I had planned to do a couple of lazy-8's to round out the pattern. I was thinking of trying a true horizontal 8 soon, and maybe the reverse wingover. What happened was I simply didn't make the top of the outside loop high enough. Won't make that mistake again...(I hope).
You're right, that plane was really special to me. It was my first full-fuse, flapped stunter, and the first really involved model I've built. Actually it was also the first I'd built from a kit in many a year. Of course, I did a fair number of things wrong while building it, and it came out way too heavy, but I think it would have been a good flyer... it was well-balanced (4oz of lead in the nose), as evidenced by the fact that it liked to float when the engine quit.
So, I'll salvage the hardware and move on. The pilot figure survived, so it'll go in the next Smoothie. I don't yet know if I'll start a new one this winter, but I might. If I do, I expect I'll get it in the air next summer. As for now, this'll give me the push I need to finish building that Twister as soon as I can. Maybe I can get that in the air by the end of August.
Tim
MAAC 65703
One additional advise. In my experience it is always very important to stay 'ahead' of the airplane mentally. If all goes well you have time to plan your next manouver, know what your hand and arm are going to do. Once you notice that you can not keep up with your aircraft mentally it is time to stop further manouvering untill you have recollected yourself and are once more ahead of things to come. Which actually means that you will be ready to do the right thing when things go wrong iso. continue the manouver you had planned.
Happened to me just 2 weeks ago during a contest. I was so focussed on flying each individual manouver to the best of my abilities that I pancaked my aircraft inverted. Guess which manouver...., 2nd inside loop. I know I was totally surprised that the ground was already there.
The fact that you had established your own pattern you felt comfortable with and that it went wrong just when you changed it seems to indicate that this will sound familiar for you.
Sounds a bit awkward perhaps or even 'soft' but it is my experience.
Rgds, Bram
I apparently have missed something--how do you pancake inverted from an inside loop? The only inverted part is at the top. I've pancaked from inside loops plenty of times but always right side up (I prefer to call them "powered landings", thank you). I'm guessing you must have meant "outside loop".
--Ray
Rgds, Bram
Alan
SoH
Mathew L. Suddath
AMA 818198
When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
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Ua Mau Ke Ea O Ka 'Aina I Ka Pono
Don't get discouraged. The Smoothie is worth building another, and look at what it did teach you! The next one will be even better.
One more piece of advice: DON'T put the same pilot figure into the next plane. I have learned the hard way that once a pilot has crashed a ship, it is time to move on to a new one. Otherwise, they'll do it again. (I had to retire Cookie Monster after what he did to my beautiful Shogun..)
Let the pilot fly a desk now, get a new one. They don't get a second chance with me!
(And they call me superstitious.)
Best regards,
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"In man, the things which are not measurable are more important than those which are measurable." -Alexis Carrel
Tim
MAAC 65703
Sad to see a ship return to its natural form.....wood I mean....my condolances on your loss.
In the battle of airplane V ground, the ground is yet to lose.
Well, considering I do have the plan, and instruction book (not to mention parts list) from the original kit, I can probably save myself some money, and maybe have a plane sooner, if I just get some wood and build from the plans. And I'd also have the opportunity to do it better, and "atone" for my error in judgement. The only thing I'd have to order from Brodak, probably, is the canopy...
Tim
MAAC 65703
So last evening I made up 8 new ribs to replace the missing ones, and this evening I'll create a new bellcrank mount, and this one will be a vertical mount attached to the upper and lower spars, so it will be bulletproof this time. With any luck, I can get this in the air in less than a week! Also, I'll be hanging an OS 25FP on the front... Cool Thing Profile, here I come!
Tim
MAAC 65703
Greg L. Bahrman
Flew one, tried to do a lazy 8 and promptly crashed it at full speed inverted at the bottom of the outside. Cleaned off the engine, tried it again, same thing. This was pretty hard ground, too. Lesson learned, added a brace for the pushrod. No problems flying it now. The only damage from the two crashes was a crease along the front part of the wing.
Tim,
Does the Smoothie plan include airfoil outlines for the smaller ribs beyond the straight wing section?
Thanks,
Kim Mortimore
A Jerk on Saturday and
A Nut on Sunday
Tim
MAAC 65703
Actually, this is a sign that the CG is too far aft. Steve
Tim
MAAC 65703