Photos of Beringer"s Typhon

Here are some photos of Beringer's Typhon. 4 stroke 40's, individual tanks, opposite rotating rotating engines and opposite rotating hand carved laminated props. Interesting! Flew well but wasn't really a contender.

Hi Al,

It was a pleasure to get to finally see you in person.

It was, indeed, interesting. The fuselage is styrofoam with tissue covering, and the counter-rotating props were unique. Gilbert took three smacks to get the two engines running.

Another interesting side note is that he qualified with his Gee Bee, and flew the Typhon in the finals. I guess the FAI rules are really "different".

Bill <><

LAST EDITED ON Jul-13-04 AT 09:25 PM (CDT)
 
Ah! Neat! And I thought it was a DH Comet! I guess planes designed for the same purpose tend to look alike..

Tissue covered Styrofoam.. Hmmm..

>Ah! Neat! And I thought it was a DH Comet! I guess planes
>designed for the same purpose tend to look alike..
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>Tissue covered Styrofoam.. Hmmm..

Isky, Phil Cartier used the same method of finishing his early series of profile sport/stunt planes. He still has them available.
I actually did do one with tissue and wallpaper paste as he outlined in his construction notes. Still have the plane,a Zlinn, flies well on a TT36 with mac muffler.
Dennis

Yeah, I know. I've used the same construction for wings, it's unreal how stiff a little Silkspan can make a wing.

Phil's fuselages have always been profiles, though, and I always thought he used balsa sheeting on the sides. The British ducted fan people have been building HUGE (six foot span Vulcan, anyone?), lightweight RC models using carved foam covered with brown paper, incidentally.

I expect this will renew the intrest in twin engine stunters

Does anyone have more details on the "foam and tissue" fuselage building technique?

It looks like he took the famous Caudron fuselage from the famous blue racers of the mid 30s, and made a twin out of the basic configuration.

Or did Caudron actually make a twin? I don't know of one.

At any rate, a beautiful model, and a milestone accomplishment in the world of PA.

LAST EDITED ON Jul-14-04 AT 03:06 PM (CDT)
 
Yep, there really is a twin Caudron. http://membres.lycos.fr/ailesfrance/8481.htm

Now this is what it's all about isn't it?! When I got back into the hobby in 83 allmost every model I saw looked the same, allmost all were jet looking thingamajigs it's so nice to see a much more diverse selection in model choices!I think maybe VSC had something to do with this I think the guys went there saw all the old models from the past and saw that these planes had character and thought you know with modern numbers it would be way cool to build something retro! Thank you VSC I thnk you are responsable for the cool models we see in competition today. Keep it up guys.
Dwayne
Remember folks allways keep a handle on em!

UGLY!!!

Hi Ion
What do you mean by ugly?
Dwayne

Just compare it with designs like Billy's, Ted's, etc.

Itr looks too "fat", I dunno...

But of course, that's a question of taste...

Well, Ion, bad taste is better than no taste. When you said ugly I assumed you were being off handedly funny.
The twin engined Caudron will give you an idea as to what a twin engined Nobler would look like. As you all know, the Nobler is based on the Caudron like the French team flew. The Magnum of GMA even more so. If Billy W. had made his P47 exact scale, it would be very fat indeed. Most radial engined fighters of WW2 were, or very long nosed.
Your envy is showing.

To be honest, I've never thought of the Nobler as being "pretty", myself - kinda looks chunky to me..

I do like the twin Caudron, though..

>UGLY!!!
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>ION

Total disagreement.

You probably dislike '30s Delahayes, Talbot-Lagos, and Delages too. Cords, too, for that matter.

If the stunt aesthetic** has become so skewed that this is an "ugly" airplane, things have gone way too far.
Pat MacKenzie
** "The philosophy of taste, or of the perception of the beautiful" OED

Ion: I've got to disagree with you. I watched G Beringer fly several times and it was incredible. A very nice flying plane, and it looks great , too.

Or anything by Figoni e Falasci!
V12

The DH Comet was a beautiful airplane. I have to agree with Ion, what makes this one ugly is the vertical stabilizer - rudder. Looks like it was borrowed from another airplane.

Kreth: That is like saying Miss Universe's identical twin, but with a beauty mark, is a dog.

V12: Dave Holls used to call the firm Phony and Fallacious, or something close. But he admired them.

But what F & F did: take the most flamboyant body styles ever (French, '30s), and put further lipstick on.

Question for anyone. Was there not a DH Comet named Grosnever House?

If so this is the one I remember and I don't remember it with a pug-ugly rudder.

"Grosvenor House", actually.. (Grosnever? )

If I recall correctly, it was one of three Comets built. I also seem to recall it was being restored some years back, by a museum in England. It's been a long time since I read the article - if so, it's probably restored by now. I don't know if there were plans to fly it.

I think it was built of plywood, like the later Mosquito. Which makes it interesting that it has survived while almost no Mossies have (dry rot and all that..).

The Comet:

Which makes you wonder. Compare the canopy sizes for the Comet and the Caudron. Was the Caudron a larger airplane, or did the Comet seat more people? Or maybe the model isn't very scale?

Yes, The Comet is much more elegant in appearance. The Caudron, on the other hand, is a French aircraft. Mssr. Berringer is French. He chose to model a French design which is entirely appropriate.

By the way, although it didn't fly well early on, when the weather cooled down it actually flew very well in the finals.

IMHO, both the Caudron and Windy's A-26 might have deserved somewhat higher scores than they ultimately received. It's really tough to separate the tool from the performance. The multi-engine ships look different doing the tricks and that makes them tough to judge. Both pilots deserve kudos for doing a tough job with tools which made the doing more rather than less difficult.

A tip for ANYONE wanting to build a twin engine stunter.

YES, the A26 was impressive, so was the Berringer twin.
So was Walkers B17. ( when he flew it )
But In my opinion and serval others who were muttering around the circles, the general feel was It looked to big.

So the tip? Build one with 60" wingspan, not 70 - 80. I think thats what hurt both these ships, as BOTH turned sharp.

Kind of looks like a conventional stunter flying on 30ft lines.

But seeing gilbert and Windy battle the 30+ winds, sent shivers down your spine.

Just a bit smaller in my opinion.

I stand corrected on the spelling. I believe more information and photos of the comet were in a model magazine years ago that dealt with racing aircraft of that period. Now if I could just get that portion of my brain to recall which.

The picture posted by Iskandar shows the more aesthetically pleasing combination of canopy, aft fuselage, and rudder. That is at least to my eye.

LAST EDITED ON Jul-22-04 AT 06:08 PM (CDT)
 
>Which makes you wonder. Compare the canopy sizes for the
>Comet and the Caudron. Was the Caudron a larger airplane, or
>did the Comet seat more people? Or maybe the model isn't
>very scale?

The Caudron Typhon was 2 meters longer and had a 1.5 meter longer wingspan. Found a site with some great photos including some with completely different canopy styles. I think I've seen this style rudder on something before.
P. S. There was a 100% replica of the DH-88 comet built in the U S back in the 90's. I've seen it at Oshkosh and it's a real beauty.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/dh88/Comets/C640.htm

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Check out this site:

http://eapg.org/Reference/DH-88/eam_DH-88.htm: