For Leonard Neumann

Leonard, what is the chance of us throwing some bucks your way in order to allow more space for say; 100k pics. I figure, if there is 700 members on this forum at $10-$20 membership per year, I would imagine that would help to defray costs. The increase in picture activity would increase membership and activity, thereby further offsetting costs.

LAST EDITED ON Jul-30-04 AT 08:38 PM (CDT)
 
I don't think it's the size and space limitations. It's the absolute pig headedness of some of the members around here to still use that old Altair 300bps handset modem! The bandwidth requirements for even the smallast of avatars takes them 20 minutes to download say, 15 smiley faces

There, that gotem goin!

>I don't think it's the size and space limitations. It's the
>absolute pig headedness of some of the members around here
>to still use that old Altair 300bps handset modem!

I dont have a modem that old but I do have a 56k in Pentium 100 that really creeps. 100 kb would really slow me down to much more of a sit than the crawl I currently experience.

New equipment is just not in the near future for me.

I would not consider myself a pig head but more like on a very fixed income.

It is a combination of income AND availability. In Vincennes we had cable internet. Here we have promnises, promises only. If you are running a slow internet connection and put large pictures on the post, it slows things down to a crawl. And then some people want to put multiple pictures on a post. Can you imagine ten pictures in one post--even at 100K that would be a meg. And it is not just disk space, but bandwidth. We are at about half the current disk allocation right now, but very close to total bandwidth limitations. I can up these--and will--when we reach the limit, but the real problem is still the time of the download.

And the question is "why?" 50K will allow a full screen picture at full screen shot at 600 x 800 resolution with a quality that can't be told on the screen from a one meg photo. It is just a matter of learning to scan (or shoot) it in the proper size and compress it properly.

For anyone wanting squeeze down photos here is avery easy and fast way to do it.

Use microsoft photo editor to compress your photos. You load them up then open the pic with photo editor. Then set the size at 100%. From there you goto to resize and set it down to about 40%. Then hit save. It sets it about 20kb and the photo is at full resolution. The photo is about 4.5" square. Plent large enough to see what is going on but plenty small to download quickly.

http://www.clstunt.com/htdocs/dcforum/DCForumID1/9858.html

The photos on this thread were dont that way and it was a snap even on my beater of a computer.

Try this free program. I like it better than my Arcsoft Photo Suite.

http://www.irfanview.com/

"SAVE ALL THE PIECES"-Phil Brown

Mr. Crane,

Some of us don't have a choice. We just moved 4 miles out of town and the best I can do is 26,400 with a good 56k modem. Had ISDN at the other place and sure do miss it, the only choice here is satellite at $100.00 a month. SBC says they will have ISDN available sometime but that may be years away, I can't even get them to fix the noisy phone lines.

The problem is the users that are too lazy to download a good graphics program and learn how to use it. So there..

HA! Surein you have cattle to feed and chickens to herd instead of wastin time on the net, you livin so far out in the country and all. Tell MA you'll get back to your chores and log off.

The thought of moving back to dialup is one of the things on the 'Negative' sides of moving away from town that I've been lookin at.

Guess I'd still have high speed at work.

If you upload your pictures to your web page then put the link here the pics will show up here even if they are over 50K because the pics are not on the server.

Here is a 1.2meg video I have never tried a video so here goes.
http://home.earthlink.net/~gary350/000_0595.mov
Leaf blower on a skate board accelerated from 0 to 20 mph in 33 feet.

>If you upload your pictures to your web page then put the
>link here the pics will show up here even if they are over
>50K because the pics are not on the server.
>
>Here is a 1.2meg video I have never tried a video so here
>goes.
>http://home.earthlink.net/~gary350/000_0595.mov
>Leaf blower on a skate board accelerated from 0 to 20 mph in
>33 feet.

The whole point, Gary, is to prevent download times from getting excessively long for the dial up guys. Downloading a 1 meg attachment just kills the forum. And some people have tried it with JPEG pictures.

You can do 400 x 800 size (larger than those displayed here) and compress them with absolutely no degradation in color or detail and keep it under the 50K limit. So, rather than trying to "beat the system", let's just try to learn how to use the available software to make this work. There are several programs available--all of which are free--that people can use to do this.

What program works for this? I am using Graphics Workshop. I can click on a 125K pic then click to convert it from jpg to jpg an it comes out to be 44K but the quality really sucks BAD. I have tried reducing it by percent from 100% to 40% the pic gets so small its hard to tell what it is and the quality still sucks. What is the correct way to reduce a large pic to 50K without loosing quality.

First resize the picture to 640x480 and check maintain aspect ratio. This should get you to withen about 60k. Then find the JPG quality adjustment and set it for about 75% save the picture at this quality setting and this should get you under the 50k. If not go to 60% and so on.

If you can't easily resize and adjust the JPG quality you need to look for another graphics program.

>What program works for this? I am using Graphics Workshop.
>I can click on a 125K pic then click to convert it from jpg
>to jpg an it comes out to be 44K but the quality really
>sucks BAD. I have tried reducing it by percent from 100% to
>40% the pic gets so small its hard to tell what it is and
>the quality still sucks. What is the correct way to reduce
>a large pic to 50K without loosing quality.
>
>Gary Weaver [email protected]

I use two different programs generally. One to crop and one to resize and compress. When you take pictures intended for the Internet, make sure you have them in a graphics mode no larger than 600 x 800. Whenever you resize a JPEG you automatically take out pixels which will reduce quality in itself.

If you must resize, I try to do it to one half or one third the size so it will remove every other pixel evenly. Otherwise you get jagged lines and such.

But then I use LViewPro to resize and to compress. (I can e-mail it to anyone that wants it.) It is set at default at 75%. I can take a picture that is shot in 600 x 800 and compress it to 35% and not tell one iota of difference between it and my non-compressed photo on my computer screen.

One more hint here, don't compress and then compress again. If the level of compression that you use is not sufficient, use the original uncompressed photo and compress to a greater degree. I can generally compress a 600 x 800 photo down to 25-30K with no loss of resolution on the screen. We need to remember that the screen is also composed of pixels. If we were to take that compressed photo and print it on a photo printer, then there may be loss compared to a non-compressed photo. But on the screen--and that is what we are using these for--you should be easily able to do it without any noticable loss of definition. Maybe I can compress one of these photos for you for a demonstration.

I will do that once in a while but still size the pictures around 640x480. The one good thing about hosting you own photos is that they don't get lost when this server crashes. Many of the archive threads that had pictures no longer do.

Hi Guys
For people running windows XP there is a program that is free from
MS from the XP site Called picture resizer it's in powertoys and it's a snap to use and it gives you several sizes to reduce or enlarge picture files. I usually use the hand held size for email it uploads quick takes less space and the pictur quality is great
John

>Hi Guys
> For people running windows XP there is a program that is
>free from
>MS from the XP site Called picture resizer it's in powertoys
>and it's a snap to use and it gives you several sizes to
>reduce or enlarge picture files. I usually use the hand held
>size for email it uploads quick takes less space and the
>pictur quality is great
> John

And for those of us fortunate enough to not be chained to Microsoft, there are some good programs, too. "The GIMP" is essentially equivalent to Adobe PhotoShop and runs in the Linux world quite nicely. It also is available for MS folks and MacOSX, and it is free.

http://www.gimp.org/

GIMP == GNU Image Manipulation Program

For those who need a command-line suite, there is ImageMagick, also available for the Linux and Windows world. And also free.

http://www.imagemagick.org/

>And for those of us fortunate enough to not be chained to
>Microsoft, there are some good programs, too. "

Gee, I thought MS and Windows were the best thing available! I mean, why does everybody use it if it's not the best? Didn't Bill Gates invent Windows, thus making our lives easier and more productive?</wise-guy>

>Hi Guys
> For people running windows XP there is a program that is
>free from
>MS from the XP site Called picture resizer it's in powertoys
>and it's a snap to use and it gives you several sizes to
>reduce or enlarge picture files. I usually use the hand held
>size for email it uploads quick takes less space and the
>pictur quality is great
> John

I went to MS web page. No option for Picture Resizer. I did a search for picture resizer it comes up with nothing. I did a search for powertoys it comes up with, Windows XP PowerToys download. I click on that and it says nothing about picture resizer, download 234K.

I finally found it. Go to microsoft web page, search for powertoys, click on windows xp, next page click on xp, next page again click on xp, right side of the page click download Image Resizer. I installed it but there is no icon and no option in menu. At the moment I can not find a option to open and run the program.