Stuka Stunt Control Line Forum
Archive, 2000–2021 · recovered from the Internet Archive
Forums › Product Reviews

Brodak Baby Clown

Product Reviews · 38 of 38 known posts recovered

V12 · Feb 26, 2004 01:50 PM

#0 source
This is the Brodak ARF Baby Clown, powered by the new Brodak .049.
Here are a few particulars.
The assembly time is around 1 hour.
Assembly is straightforward – remove the covering where you want to glue, align the parts, wick in some CyA.
Covering is a MonoKote type film and very well done.
The plane was assembled as shown, the engine bolted on and flown – simple as that.
Fuel used was 10% nitro, 22% 50/50 oil.
32 foot, .008” braided lines, with 2” line spacing on the handle.
Notice that the engine has a muffler – it works, as the plane is very quiet. I flew it in my front yard and I doubt the neighbors heard it.

On the first flight, the plane would have been able to do the complete pattern except that I did not properly adjust the pushrod and there was not enough down elevator.

It was also a bit windy for a small plane – 10 to 15 MPH but it performed surprisingly well.

There are a number of configurations in which the plane may be offered:
ARF with or without engine
ARC with or without.

Fell free to contact me [email protected] regarding any technical queries about the plane or engine.

For information about price, configuration and delivery dates, please contact Brodak Manufacturing.

This little plane promises to be lots of fun!!!!

SteveB · Feb 26, 2004 01:55 PM

#1 source
Did it come with the tank already attached to the fuse, or did you have to do that yourself?

V12 · Feb 26, 2004 02:24 PM

#3 source
Hi, Steve - The tank is separate. It will be attached either by rubber bands or a simple screw mount. Remember, some people may want to use and engine with a built-in tank, like a Cox Black Widow so they would not need a separate tank.
OK?
Bob Z

Steven Yampolsky · Feb 26, 2004 02:22 PM

#2 source
What's the ETA and estimated price?

Steven Yampolsky
Webmaster for www.control-line.org

V12 · Feb 26, 2004 02:27 PM

#4 source
Hi, second Steve!
Best bet at this time is to contact Brodak by e-mail for pricing and delivery. I can address any other questions about the building, flying, etc.
Bob Z

Bill Little · Feb 26, 2004 03:23 PM

#5 source
LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-04 AT 03:23 PM (CDT)
 
Ok, Z man,
What's up with the magical mystery mount??
It's a beam mount engine with a screw in back plate. How is it mounted there?? Can't quite make out how.
Thanks
Bill <><
P.S. Is the 049 already in stock? Looks nice

Just an Old Advanced flyer.

Tim McTigue · Feb 26, 2004 04:23 PM

#6 source
>P.S. Is the 049 already in stock? Looks nice

I'll second that... it's a heck of a nice-looking engine. Might even make ME want to fly 1/2-A!

Tim

MAAC 65703

V12 · Feb 26, 2004 04:28 PM

#7 source
Bill & Tim - that's the prototype engine that I'm evaluating on the Baby Clown. It's probably the most user friendly .049 I've ever had. On 10% nitro, it runs as well as most 1/2A's do on 30%.
Bob Z

Tim McTigue · Feb 26, 2004 06:06 PM

#8 source
And... check out those wheels! They look like Banners...

Tim

MAAC 65703

fishnfly · Feb 26, 2004 07:21 PM

#9 source
fishnfly
no they look like K&B wheels I could sure use some 2in ones

albert

wcrane · Feb 26, 2004 08:37 PM

#10 source
And the mounting system that you magically sidestepped? You are not by chance running for office somewhere are you?

From somewhere near Parkville, Mo.
William Crane
AMA 6733

Swordsman18 · Feb 26, 2004 09:59 PM

#13 source
LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-04 AT 10:07 PM (CDT)
 
>And the mounting system that you magically sidestepped? You
>are not by chance running for office somewhere are you?
>
>From somewhere near Parkville, Mo.
>William Crane
>AMA 6733

Looks like the one-piece molded nylon 1/2A engine mount Brodak offers. He includes it in his 1/2A primary trainer kit. Originally available on Sterling 1/2A models. I have one on a Baby Ringmaster Bipe across the room. Really nice unit. It traps a nominal 1/4" fuselage and is held on by two through bolts. The engine bolts through the nylon firewall molded in. Trivial to install, and totally fuel proof. A major improvement over the old plywood firewall and balsa blocks. I use nylock nuts on the back so they don't vibrate off. The hole pattern on the old unit is for the Cox reed valve engines with integral tanks. I would bet Brodak's 049 matches this pattern which is pretty much industry standard. That way people can use Cox engines they have if they don't want to by the Brodak 049. And he doesn't have to develop a new nylon mount for his new engine. A win-win situation, IMHO.

The new engine looks *awesome*!

Andy

Edit: Just looked at the nylon mount. The one in the picture is functionally similar, but looks like a different design, so probably a new part. The old one has a V groove in it to trap the landing gear between the firewall and the engine backplate. The part shown seems to do the same.

AT

TRASHCAN MAN · Feb 26, 2004 09:07 PM

#11 source

Darn that rascal Brodak! Now he has given me the itch to get one of his 1/2A engines and planes! He should be ashamed..........


C/L Gee Bee · Feb 26, 2004 09:53 PM

#12 source
Mike Lauerman

BOY!!! An .049 that we can fly! (even Love, if the price is right)
Another 1/2A 'squashed GeeBee' is in the works...A Titebond bottle body serves as cowl, and...and...I'm just excited, guys...

injunnut1 · Mar 17, 2004 10:22 AM

#33 source
>>P.S. Is the 049 already in stock? Looks nice
>
>I'll second that... it's a heck of a nice-looking engine.
>Might even make ME want to fly 1/2-A!

I bought an engine on eBay a few years ago almost exactly like this one shown here on the Baby Clown except it has no anodized head. It was NIB and sold rather cheap (about $20.00 / $25.00 as I recall) ..... it is a CS engine made by "Shanghai CS Model Equipment Ltd" according to the box art and is .075cu.in. displacement. The eBay seller at the time was selling a lot of them on eBay, can't remember his handle now? I will try to post a photo when I learn how to post photos on this forum. I have yet to run mine so cannot comment on it's performance. ---injunnut1---

injunnut1 · Mar 17, 2004 11:07 AM

#34 source
>>P.S. Is the 049 already in stock? Looks nice
>
>I'll second that... it's a heck of a nice-looking engine.
>Might even make ME want to fly 1/2-A!

I bought an engine almost exactly like this on eBay a few years ago, click on the link below to see photos. It is a CS engine manufactured by "Shanghai CS Model Equipment LTD" and is .075cu.in. displacement. I have not run mine yet so cannot commemt on performance.

CS .075 glow engine
Address:http://community-2.webtv.net/dongarry/CS075glowengine/

dennis · Mar 18, 2004 02:52 PM

#36 source
>>>P.S. Is the 049 already in stock? Looks nice
>>
>>I'll second that... it's a heck of a nice-looking engine.
>>Might even make ME want to fly 1/2-A!
>
>
>I bought an engine almost exactly like this on eBay a few
>years ago, click on the link below to see photos. It is a CS
>engine manufactured by "Shanghai CS Model Equipment LTD" and
>is .075cu.in. displacement. I have not run mine yet so
>cannot commemt on performance.
>
>CS .075 glow engine
>Address:http://community-2.webtv.net/dongarry/CS075glowengine/

Yours looks good compared to the one I bought. The castings looked like a case of leprosy and of course it barely runs.I was amused that they used a bright aluminum paint to make the whole mottled mess look shiny.

LNeumann · Feb 26, 2004 10:24 PM

#14 source
Someone must have had a sale on blue Monokote. First the Nobler and now the ...

Leonard Neumann

wcrane · Feb 27, 2004 03:04 AM

#15 source
Once again, a sidestep.

Yes of course that is a nylon 1/2A profile mount. How'd they get the radial mount mounted to a BEAM engine?

From somewhere near Parkville, Mo.
William Crane
AMA 6733

V12 · Feb 27, 2004 08:04 AM

#16 source
Hi, Gents – Please don’t get out the tar and feathers!!! I was pretty tied up at work yesterday so I could not formulate my description of the engine mount system I designed – So, here it is.
Since the prototype Brodak .049 has beam mounts and the ARF plane comes with that neat little plastic mount/landing gear retainer, I decided to invent a little gadget to marry the engine and mount.
I machined an adapter from polycarbonate (Lexan) as shown – the projection is a snug fit into the backplate recess.
I then drilled four holes in the adapter to match those in the plastic mount. The holes in the mount were tapped #2-56 in order to allow attachment of the adapter when ready.
I drilled and tapped two #2-56 threads in the adapter and two matching countersunk holes in the backplate. It was, of course, marked such that the engine is horizontal on the model.
After attaching the adapter to the backplate with two stainless steel flat head screws, (might need some JB weld or at least some silicone sealant), I screwed the assembly into the engine. See the last two pictures.
Now, the engine/adapter assembly is treated like a regular old radial mount .049 and screwed to the mount with four #2-56 screws.
Keep in mind that this work is prototypical – we may come up with a different method. Experimenting is just plain interesting!
Make sense? I welcome comments and suggestions.
Bob Zambelli

LNeumann · Feb 27, 2004 08:29 AM

#17 source
Hey, let's make suggestions here. The following are possible suggestions.

1) Supply the engine with two back plates. One "normal" as presently comes with the engine, and the second with the radial mount as part of it so that the engine could be converted easily to radial mounting. I can see problems because the back plate screws in and the threads are going to be random. It could be difficult to make this so it would tighten up and always end up in the same pattern. But...if this were done, then I would suggest that the mounting pattern also match exactly the mounting pattern of the cox Baby Bee or some such so the engine could replace the Cox engine on an already existing plane. When Brodak came out with their 40 using a proprietary muffler mount and venturi, this was a major error.

2) This would be an easier solution. Make a radial mount with the beam mount cast into it. Bolt the engine to the mount. And then you have a radial mount to bolt to the firewall. Again, put screw holes in this that match exactly those of the Cox Baby Bee. One could even make a tank mount this way--not for this plane, but for others where a Baby Bee or Black Widow would normally be used.

Leonard Neumann

Bill Little · Feb 27, 2004 10:52 AM

#18 source
Hi Leonard, Bob,
Yep, a radial mount to convert the beam would be the easiest thing to produce. Even a tank mount like for the TD/Medallion engines would not be a stretch. There will have to be SOME provision that John will have to make to mount his engine to the ARF Baby! Not everyone can machine a custom backplate mount, duh! LOL!! I guess John has taken that into account. Nice looking set up. The 049 bears a strange "Nelson" sort of look......
Bill <><

Just an Old Advanced flyer with a mule that has gone blind.

V12 · Feb 27, 2004 12:54 PM

#19 source
If anyone is interested in seeing or trying the Brodak ARF Baby Clown and Oriental, I will have them both at the GSCB field after the swap meet.
Bob Z

Alan Hahn · Feb 27, 2004 02:34 PM

#20 source
As I mentioned on another thread, Texas Timers makes backplates just like these for the Norvel and TeeDee engines. However they don't match (I think) the standard Cox ReedValve bolt spacing. http://www.texastimers.com/. Here is a jpeg from their site.

Alan

Serge Krauss · Feb 27, 2004 04:17 PM

#21 source
Bob-

How does the Brodak .049 compare to Norvels or TD's in output and operating characteristics?

SK

Serge Krauss

V12 · Feb 27, 2004 04:32 PM

#22 source
Hi Serge - sorry, but I can't make the comparison as I do not have access to the Cox or Norvell.
Bob

Elwyn · Feb 28, 2004 03:56 PM

Brodak 1/2A#23 source
Can you tell us what RPM's you were getting and what size prop was used?

shelby554 · Feb 28, 2004 07:20 PM

RE: Brodak 1/2A#24 source
I have a tiny radial R/C type mount that fits the Norvel .049/.061 engines I bought at my L.H.S. It would be easy to fit it to the Brodak 1/2A firewall. It also looks as if the Brodak .049 engine might fit a Norvel startup tank mount.

Don Jones

V12 · Mar 01, 2004 03:48 PM

RE: Brodak 1/2A#25 source
Thanks, Don - I'll try and locate the mount and try it.
Bob Z

DesignMan · Mar 01, 2004 03:53 PM

RE: Brodak 1/2A#26 source
General info on the Brodak profile 1/2A mount. It has bolt holes for both the tank type and RTF type engines. So you could use a Killer Bee or a Black Widow on the plane. The KB, of course will need the external tank (but it can be a lot more capacity than in the Black Widow). In addition, it has built in outthrust, but done in a way so you can trim it flat for horizontal mounting like the Plastic Fantastic 24.

BTW, guess who designed that mount <G>

Anyway, that coupler to the new Brodak engine is great! Very nice idea, and beautiful execution.

I used a bent piece of 1/16" aluminum to mount my PAW 55 on my Baby Clown (not the ARF by about 4 years). As such, I can switch back to the Holland Wasp at any time.

Very simple beam mounting is all it takes for that size engine. Extremely light! and Adjustable for thrustline (especially in a crash). If you are the nervous type, you can use 2 pieces back to back and catch all 4 holes, bolting through both of them with the engine.

Larry Renger
think S.M.A.L.L.

Tony G · Mar 08, 2004 09:18 AM

RE: Brodak 1/2A#27 source
>>>BTW, guess who designed that mount


Larry, By the way, guess who designed the engine(...not me)?
I tested this engine about five years ago...so did others...
hint# 1 Mr Gau.....

Tony:+

V12 · Mar 08, 2004 12:28 PM

RE: Brodak 1/2A#28 source
Hi, Tony - did you test THAT exact engine or one similar?

Bob

Tony G · Mar 09, 2004 03:34 AM

RE: Brodak 1/2A#29 source
>Hi, Tony - did you test THAT exact engine or one similar?
>
>Bob
Hi Bob....I don't know what internal changes may have been made in
the last five years...my engine has an orange anodyzed cylinder.
Brodak was given a number of these engines back then for distribution
or sale...I don't know which. My determination after
my brief testing, and flying was that it didn't quite achieve its conceptual
goal...it was a nice running Sport engine, not real easy starting nor
noteworthy performance. I believe that my PAW .5cc diesel has about
the same HP. My PAW .5cc turns a 6x3Cox black at 16,300rpm... Thats
just about what I was getting from the .049Glow prototype....it was
designed to be a perfect beginners engine..to fill a niche sorta
left by the Mills .75cc diesel.
I just wish the Brodak ARF would retain the original lines of the
"Real Baby Clown" and use the full length fuselage with Beam Engine
mounting...including the huge spinner which gives the regular Clown
it's distinctive appearance...the Brodak Baby Clown looks almost
nothing like the PDQ Baby Clown. Good luck with Your testing ...
the Brodak .049 and the Baby Clown should be a very good Flying
match. Tony G

Jim T. · Mar 11, 2004 10:09 PM

RE: Brodak 1/2A#30 source
I'm also interested in the engine. There was a multiple-part article in Aeromodeller about PAW a couple of years back. Said that PAW had developed an 049 glow engine with super perfomance for an American manufacturer; for an ARF as I recall. Havn't seen anything more on it. I can look the article up if there is any interest.

Jim

V12 · Mar 12, 2004 06:47 AM

RE: Brodak 1/2A#31 source
Hi, Jim - this one is not connected with PAW.
Bob Z

injunnut1 · Mar 17, 2004 10:07 AM

RE: Brodak 1/2A#32 source
>I'm also interested in the engine. There was a
>multiple-part article in Aeromodeller about PAW a couple of
>years back. Said that PAW had developed an 049 glow engine
>with super perfomance for an American manufacturer; for an
>ARF as I recall. Havn't seen anything more on it. I can
>look the article up if there is any interest.
>
>Jim
Yes Please, I would like to hear all about the proposed PAW glow engine ... THANKS!

Tony G · Mar 18, 2004 02:33 PM

RE: Brodak 1/2A#35 source
>I'm also interested in the engine. There was a
>multiple-part article in Aeromodeller about PAW a couple of
>years back. Said that PAW had developed an 049 glow engine
>with super perfomance for an American manufacturer; for an
>ARF as I recall. Havn't seen anything more on it. I can
>look the article up if there is any interest.
>
>Jim

Hi JIM,
How can I send you an email? The forum link doesn't work. Thanks;
Tony G

Tim Wiltse · Apr 04, 2004 08:51 PM

#37 source
I hope CS put more into this engine than alot of their other stuff.

Later,
Tim