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Hib · Jan 29, 2007 02:59 PM

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Our local Philharmonic Orchestra is doing a "Painted Violins" fund raiser auction. Being a sculptor, I sent them a proposal and was accepted as one of the participating artists.

I ended up doing duplicate violin body out of 22 ga. steel sheet. (man do I love my plannishing hammer!) While whining about needing to clear coat such a small piece with the spray rig, mixing, mess and all my auto paint supplier sez.... "look at this".

http://www.belton.de/en/b2/p2400.html

This stuff works!... the can says it has 24hr pot life after mixing, but it has stayed viable for 3 weeks after activation. It has been in my shop at 62 degrees or so for that time so, the crosslink is probably retarded.

This stuff color sanded with 2000 grit and rubbed out quite nicely.

Not cheep at $20.00 a pop, but with the extended shelf time a guy could do a couple, maybe 3 birds at a time......

Fumes Nastier than Nitro.........Hib



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mpa · Jan 29, 2007 04:09 PM

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Cool.
Where'd you buy it?

Derek

Hib · Jan 29, 2007 04:38 PM

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Our local Sherwin Williams Auto Paint Supply store keeps it in stock,
(underline AUTO PAINT) they get it out of a Denver distributer.

I'm thinking most Auto Paint and Body suppliers could get it for you.

Hib

F4FGuy · Jan 29, 2007 04:18 PM

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Ron B.
F4Fguy

Forget the paint! Look at that georgeous piece!

Ron B.

P.S.: Thanx for the info.

Hib · Jan 29, 2007 04:49 PM

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Thank You Ron!

The piece has been quite well recieved. It will be at a local gallery for a number of weeks and then auctioned off a at gala event.
Our stipend is a set of season tickets for the Philharmonic. And of course wine and cheese at receptions!

It was fun to stretch a bit (plannishing joke) as my work is generally "ultra modern geometric non-objective serious stuff of universal importance". BIG HONKIN' LOL !!!! ...........

Fun with welders, grinders and Nitro Fumes!.........Hib

LeagueCityRalph · Jan 29, 2007 04:53 PM

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Beautiful work on the violin trophy!

I've used "Spray MAxx, but Beware!

It's a good product, obtained from most pro Auto Paint Stores. Very high gloss, and fuel proof to at least 20% Nitro. I did the fuselages & tails of a profile Cardinal and a U-Key.35, and an entire ½A trainer with one can - - one medium dry coat and one wet coat each.

The Beware! results from my physical experience. The little plastic plunger in the bottom (which allows the inner capsule of catalyst to mix with the rest of the contents) is VERY fragile - I broke two, which the store replaced, and had them open the third one at the shop. It did the planes mentioned above.

A few weeks later, I went back for another can, and had them attempt to activate it. They broke off three of the plungers and gave up! There's an expiration date marked on the can, and it hadn't quite reached the printed date, but had already cured without mixing.

The haze of spray also ruined my goggles (which was far better than my eyeballs!), when the breeze shifted.

I'll use it again, but I'll have the plane(s) ready-to-go, and have it activated at the paint shop.
Ralph Wenzel

Hib · Jan 29, 2007 05:10 PM

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Hey Ralph,

Thanks for the compliment!

They may have improved the button (?) ...
it is 1-3/16" diameter and has a sleeve to sort of keep it square.

It is not easy to push with the palm of the hand. In fact, you could hurt yourself.

I ended up using the butt end of a hammer handle on it and pressing down real firmly with the can on the floor. Being a bit of a wack job, I could see a quickly improvised high zoot welded fixture to hold the can with a hand tightened screw plunger thingie (T-handled of course) to push the activator button. It's what I do....figures since .... I've recently been accused "pimping" a violin ....

Will the fun never end?......Hib

Larry F · Jan 29, 2007 04:58 PM

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Well, you know, everyone here is having the same fantasy! Uhh, how light could you build it, and maybe sweep the wings more straight out?

Really, really nice!

Larry Fulwider


Hib · Jan 29, 2007 05:38 PM

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Yeah,..... well, It is a tad on the heavy side but, I could see a Dynajet mounted there between the wings.

Without the brass halo it does look a bit like a Canadian Honker. If the halo had a contol horn and nice pivot we could be looking at a "canard" (ar!ar!) speed ship. Don't get me started!......

Thanks for the kind words too!
Hib

Hib · Jan 30, 2007 11:13 PM

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I'm bumping this because I think it's good info in regards to the Spray Max... and, due to the number of posts the last day or so it's slid down quite a way on the page.

Nitro and Catalyst Fumes!.......Hib

Serge Krauss · Jan 31, 2007 01:25 PM

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Hib-

That is a really fine rendition of a violin; you're obviously very good at your art. Most artists, even some pretty decent ones, cannot seem to "see" the violin. Theirs are often ill-proportioned and not particularly harmonious in line. Heck, even some violin makers don't get the archings as well as yours. I'm sure the Philharmonic will greatly appreciate your effort and generosity. I'm going to forward this URL to my fellow Cleveland Philharmonic folks!

Serge

P.S. I've gone to the link too.
Serge Krauss

Hib · Jan 31, 2007 08:52 PM

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Thanks very much Serge!

We were given unfinished (called "white") student grade instruments.

My first thoughts were to cut that puppy up on the bandsaw and do a thing titled "re-arrangment for violin / a composition". But after doing some cut and paste paper templates I realized that the form of the things evolved very rapidly and have held their shape for 500 yrs. They are a perfect example of "form follows function"........If you think about aircraft design we're talkin' the same stuff here.

From the "perfect example" thought came the idea of a sort of "sacredness "......the angel motif followed that idea. It is titled.... "Duende"(angel and muse)........

It wasn't long until I abandoned putting thin sheet steel on the existing body and just duplicated it in steel.

You know, it's really nice to get familiar with a shape as you work it. I've had the same satisfaction carving balsa fuselage blocks, cowls and the like. The transition from "seeing" it to the tactile understanding of what the compound curves really express is a kick in the butt. Boat builders know the Zen of this as well as anyone. And, of course hotrodders and bike builders have always been down with it.

I see the first C/L models I did as a kid as my earliest experience as a sculptor.

If we could put "shop" back in the public schools our children would have a better chance at becoming, problem solvers, creative thinkers, and whatever it is we call being artists.

It's sad that as a technologically advanced species we are forgetting that the opposable thumb is near the root of everything we have physically constructed as human beings. The link between our hands, minds and hearts is what allows us to project ideas forward and actually be creative. Add passion (obsession) to the mix and stand back it's fultilt boogie time!

I was interviewed during a talk for docents at a local art center a while back. The curator asked me, "Why do you make sculpture?" My reply was, "When I'm not making things, I'm just not well".

So much for "art rambling" but I know most of the members of this forum experience "high art" and "creativity" all the time and "know" what I'm talking about.

Philosphical Ravings and Nitro Fumes!..... Hib

cfrizell · Feb 02, 2007 05:15 PM

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"It's sad that as a technologically advanced species we are forgetting that the opposable thumb is near the root of everything we have physically constructed as human beings. The link between our hands, minds and hearts is what allows us to project ideas forward and actually be creative. Add passion (obsession) to the mix and stand back it's fultilt boogie time!"

We three Grumpy Old Men at my club (George, Ron and me) are forever on about exactly that. Many, many years ago in philosophy we learned about man's inherent need to "create". Hence, model planes

Charles

Kim Mortimore · Feb 02, 2007 07:45 PM

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Hib,

I'm curious what kind of c/l planes a sculptor of "ultra modern geometric non-objective serious stuff of universal importance. BIG HONKIN' LOL !!!!" builds. Would you care to tell, or show?

Kim Mortimore

elmores · Feb 03, 2007 04:21 AM

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Ẁhat's the difference between a violin and a fiddle?

A fiddle doesn't mind if it gets beer spilt on it!

Tony

Hib · Feb 04, 2007 07:50 PM

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My c/l birds aren't very distinctive. Nothing very interesting.
But, sometimes lethal.

This was after an afternoon of combat mayhem a while back....my buddy Dave was flying an orange streamer. What you don't see is that there is no knot on my string... Henderson is a way deadly opponent!!!

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Litehawks, VA's, and Nitro Fumes.........Hib


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