If you are interested in Speed

If you are interested in Speed, check this out on eBay - one of only 3 ever made.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VERY-RARE-C-C-S-15-RACING-MODEL-AIRPLANE-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ140079756892QQihZ004QQcategoryZ34055QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Charles

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nice motor but it is not a speed motor.



200 m.p.h. man AMA 9806

I would be interested in knowing the basis for the above statement about not being a speed engine.
Larry Lundy

Please forgive dear Joey. He is too young to know what real speed engines look like. Youth - what to do with them??????

Fred Carter (a watchmaker by profession) built the motors for Ray "Gadget" Gibbs - who won the World Speed Champs in about '56 or '57. The motor in the photo was made by Carter and Checksfield

Ron Checksfield was the guy who went on to design the Merco motors, as I recall.

And yes, that IS a speed engine circa '55 - '56

Charles

And, no, Cartier on the crankcase of a Super Tigre engine does not mean that Carter worked on it. Cartier is Italian for crankcase. Tappo Cartier is crankcase cover in Italian.

real speed engines

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oopps--and some combat engines a few rats and a lone sand cast fox stunt

second pic top right --barley see crank case of hornet .60 for speed.

thats a wooden pan with aluminum wings on the airplane
thats a pile of new mag pans behind(

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Larry speed motors are set up for all out performance, they are not set up to restart hot and the plug only lasts about 20 seconds. the motor in that picture is a team RACING motor big differance. i hope that helps.35 years of speed flying helps you see the differance in the two. speed is not racing as is racing is not speed two differant animals.hope that helps a bit

200 m.p.h. man AMA 980

No actually it is not a teamrace motor, it was developed for the then new Fai .15 displacement rule.

Walter

looks like you would have a hard time with a spinner that is what i thought and brought me to the its a racing motor. that would be a very differant looking speed plane built around a motor with a front end like that.or maybe it is missing some parts for the front end?

200 m.p.h. man AMA 9806

Nothing is missing, try to find a 1957-58 Aero modeler mag. I flew with Jim Nightingale from 1958-1963, he saw the orginal, said it was interesting but. If you knew Jim, that was enough said.

Walter

I'll scan some photos and articles from the time and see if I can get them small enough to attach. But that'll be later today - I am getting my Nobler ready for flying this morning right now.

Dear me. The longer we live the less we seem to know. Carter built high performance engines, used in both speed and t/r. He rebuilt Oliver Tigers for t/r, and built .15ci speed motors initially on McCoy 19 and ST c/cases. One of these, on a bump lug Mc. 19 case, was the famous "Nipper", used by Gibbs to set world speed records and win World Champs. So much for "not a speed motor"! This motor blew its top off because it was simply producing more power than the case could handle. At this point Carter teamed up with Checksfield to produce a run of motors for the Brit. speed team, using stronger sand cast c/cases, thus the CCS motors were born. The claim that only 3 were built is poppycock. At least enough were built to equip the Brit team with motors to use, and spares. Plus a few more came into other favoured hands. When the FAI straight fuel requirement came in a few were built leaving the top cylinder solid, i.e. no cooling fins. The thought was that since the straight fuel ran cooler, this would retain more heat in the engine. My own engine is of this type. Some time ago a well known Brit. engine dealer obtained some (or at least one) CCS c/case, and had the rest made. This motor was duly made available as a "CCS"! Carter's 29 t/r motor was on the sandcast McCoy 29 c/case, the Carter-McCoy.
Carter's 29 speed efforts were centred on the Dooling 29 c/case, and again, Gibbs set world records with this motor. There is an Aeromodeller test of one of these motors. For the 60 class again, Carter used the Dooling c/case, although he made at least one motor completely scratch built using his own cast Dooling type c/case, plus one work of art with c/case from solid. Also occasionally we see a Carter-Nordec, no slouch.
Checksfield was initially famous for his 15 and 29 T/R motors, reworked Oliver Tigers, and 29's using sandcast McCoy c/cases. Checksfield-McCoy and Carter-Dooling - ahh, the nostalgia! The holy grail of speed motor collecting. Check's 60 speed offerings also used McCoy c/cases, 60 Ser. 20. I am aware of Checksfield building a 29 T/R model, but never seen a speed model reported. He duly concentrated on engine building. He was, quite simply, one of nature's geniuses. See a couple of little biographies on Dave Day's web site, under "Merco".

These pics are from an article in Model Aircraft of July 1956. Ray Gibbs was also given the O.B.E (I think) for his achievements in model flying.

Charles

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Final price, $820.00.

That's not the same engine as in the first pic. Exhast is on the other side, plug is offset and it has a larger speed spinner.


Giffy

Ron B.
F4Fguy

No, it's the one in the "bump lug" McCoy 19 case that Ian referred to above.

Ron B.

From the old magazines (from my youth) I believe that Fred Carter modified / rebuilt many different motors. Ian Russel whose post is above I think knew these guys personally.

$820 is quite a powerful amount to pay for a motor though, but I guess it is pretty historic. The advertiser says only 3 were made, but Ian says different - and Ian knows.

Bill Wiesnewski and the "wart" came a couple of years later I think, along withy the TWA etc. But Gibbs held the 2.5cc and 5cc world speed records for a time.

Charles

I think the heritage between the two motors can be seen. The c/case was reversable as back and front both bolted on. About the same time I notice a much easier to find O.S. 15D/Glow version went for $1100+? Some folks missed a bargain with this CCS!

Very true.

If I were a wealthy collector, I'd have loved the CCS

Charles