Louis van den Hout Olympus progress

Hoping to complete the Louis van den Hout Olympus Classic model by VSC 2008. Model is about 700 squares with a muffled PA 61 for power. Original was motivated by a Veco 45.

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Allan,

Cool looking plane, I don't remember seeing it before, is it in the classic planes directory? Or did you research a "new" classic?

I like the PA61 idea, but I'm very " if one's good, two's better, three must be just right!" School of thought....

Bruce

Bruce,

The model is in the Classic book by Tom Morris. I spend a lot of time in the book, with broken hinges to prove it is worth reading. I have more on the way.

Allen

Broken hinges. I wore one out and had to buy a second one just to have a complete book. Much better than Playboy. All the plans are nekked.

Lookin'good Allen, I'm glad to see it's progessing.I can't wait to see it fly.

Thank you, I need all the encouragement I can get without the advent of whip marks across my back.

Nose is somewhat a simple idea and will house the PA 61 with little problem. I have seen many PA's run smoothly on a muffler, to point out Mike McHenry's Zero Advanced Nats winner.

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Allen, that looks nice, can you tell us what you have the wing and tail covered with? Looking forward to having the full report soon, Take care and Happy New Year, Keith

The covering material is a Brodak Brand film. Seems to work very well so far. This is the first time I have tried it.

>Thank you, I need all the encouragement I can get without the
>advent of whip marks across my back.

Well, here's an old picture (must be around 1964) that contains both the Trianic AND Olympus prototypes with their designers.
Also in the pictures is Paul Tupker with a 'Plano' a Merco 49 sized Nobler (as I was informed)

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Bruno,

I am very pleased with the picture, and it is as good enough quality to use in the article, with your permission. This is the best picture of the Plano so far. The Plano will be published in the future as a article after the Olympus is published. If you have anymore pictures of any of those three models, I would appreciate having copies of them.

You have made my 2008 New Year richer in knowledge already.

Thank you so much.

Allen

Here is a shot of the wing tip tab to level the wing during the trimming process.

Allen


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The wing is now pinned in place and posed on our back deck.

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Looks good Allen.

Very nice Allen, enjoyed the nose shot and the trim tab mount!

Now that is different from any I have seen. But then they don't get a lot of attention. Very fine adjustment there. Great idea compared to the usual trim tabs. About the only twin or triple tailed stunter you have left is a Connie. Game
edit: tirple is not triple. opps

Don't believe it, more on the way.

Allen

Thanks, Allen, for bring back many of the old Classics. This one is just as unique as the others you have presented!

BTW: There IS'i> progress on my project, but I ain't getting too excited just yet...... but, many of my problems are easing up.

Big Bear <><
Character: It's what you do when no one else is watching.

Hi Allen;
I was going through some old Aeromodeller magazines and came across a couple of photos of the plane and Mr. van den Hout. I think one had Bob Gialdini in it also. Have you seen those or were you aware of them?
Just small black and white shots, but interesting.
Dan McEntee

I love all the Classics now flying, but desire to bring to my friends all the not so known examples to the fore front.

Allen,

Looks like Ed Elasick's "Impala" was a major influence.

The wing is almost glued in place and Dan McEntee is emailing me some more shots from a former British modeling magazine. I await those shots with bated breath.

Now the wing is glued in place and the bottom is strengthened with fiberglass cloth and epoxy. The leading edge has a more solid connection to the back of F-2 with tight fitting blocks of balsa, Pylon hinge cloth, and epoxy. The hole where the wing and flap pushrod was slid through the fuselage side is now closed up. The small slots where the flap horns slid through will be refitted with the pieces I removed earlier.

I will now pop off the top block and reinforce the top of the wing to the fuselage like I did the bottom. I can now glue on the bottom block and think about adding my stab to the model. I am getting closer. I am further along than I was with the Adams' Special last year. I was not putting the wing and fuse together at Roy Trantham's house until the last days of January. And the Adams' flying surfaces were not coverered to this point, as you can see my wing and stab (of the Olympus) have been covered for about two weeks. I am progressing on the D0-335 and a Brodak Electric Clown for FM. Got three things going at the same time. One must do something with the time to allow glue to dry.



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I now have the wing flap horn holes closed up and a 1/16" ply brace on the fuselage sides and the bottom block is now glue on and will be shaped today.

I will pop off the top block and further strengthen the wing to fuse joint with f.g. cloth and five minute epoxy. Using a water based spackling compound for a filler now. I only will small holes and will have the entire fuselaga covered with very light f.g. cloth and polycrylic clear gloss prior to fillets.

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The Olympus gets legs and feet. I finally got the auxiliary main landing gear (for rough surfaces) and the tail gear on the Olympus. It makes it just one step closer to being finished for this year's VSC.


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Allen,

Looks very cool, I think you're getting the hang of it:@ .


James

The entire wing is glassed and epoxied in place and the flaps have their final shapes. I will take Monday night to cover the flaps and begin to attach the stab to the fuselage.

Did you get the magazines in the mail yet? I'm just too lazy to look it up on lin
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

Dan,

I got all of them and have scanned what I want and will get them back into the mail to you by the end of this week. They were great.

The nose/engine incidence and wing indidence are now parallel and solidly glued in place. I have the stab pinned in place and need to make some adjustmants to its incidence. I hope to have the top block closed up by Sunday night. I have subbed at a school all this week and that really slowed me down. I am a free bird until Wednesday morning. Hope to get a lot done by then.

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Well, the stab is permanently mounted and the elevators and flaps are hinged but not covered or glued in place yet. Picture taken Monday morning, February 4. I now must complete the Tom Morris control system finalization and begin closing up the two parts of the top block.


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Now the nose block is epoxied in place, the cowl is bolted on, all controls are hooked up, bolted up and oiled. The cover over the rear elevator horn adjuster is cowled over the horn area with a vertical slot to adjust the elevator throw. The rear block will be glued on tonight, and I will begin canopy and cockpit detail, whatever I have time for. The rudders can now be glued on and all the flaps and elevators are completely shaped and ready to cover with the same covering material.

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Looking like a real airplane now. Getting down to the home stretch.

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Looking very good Allen!

What did you use for material for the adjust. tab on wing and how did you hook it up ?

A Dubro 113 swiv-link is the only odd-ball portion of the hook-up. The link has 4-40 swivel link inside the kwik-link which attaches to a 2-56 threaded rod. The rest of the story is simple 4-40 parts as can be seen in the picture.

Hope this helps.

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Now all the flying surfaces are covered, the wing tip weight box and 3/4 ounce weight is installed , a tank and three blade Bolly prop is on top of the scale with the Olympus, the wheels and wheel collars are added, so the total weight of this 724 square in model is now at 47.6 ounces.

I have given up on canopy detail and have painted the inside of my canopy dark candy blue and should be able to glue it on Monday morning. I have the grove cut for the canopy to fit snuggly down on top of the fuselage top block. Getting closer.

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The darkened canopy is now set into the canopy groove cut in the fuselage top with epoxy and awaiting the curing process. I will get the Olympus on the paint stand tonight.

Allen, watch your six, The RNMM has gotten wind of your disrespect for traditional finishes. Run for your life...

We now have electricity and water back on line. We have moved from the Thrifty Inn in Paducah back to our house in Golconda. We only had one limb break from a River Maple in the side of the yard. All our pipes are intact and we came back to check on the cats each day. The ice line reached from a normal two hour drive west of us (around Steve Moore's Dexter house) to more than an hour east of us in Kentucky. The ice line was only about a normal hours drive north to south but much longer east to west. Below us was rain, above us was snow. The ice was no more than 3/8" thick, but it sure makes a mess when the total weight goes sky-high during the storm. Looks pretty, but is very dangerous. Some places in Kentucky are not on line as yet. We are in the earlier 40% of turn-ons. The line men work very hard, I am proud of them.

I now have the graphics cut by Louis Rankin on the Olympus and then I did place some filler around the nose ring on one of our trips back home. The colder temps kept it from solidifying too soon. The canopy is permanently glued on and better held in place with Al Rabe's idea of adding light f.g. cloth and slow curing epoxy to the mating surfaces.

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Mark Gerber has developed a great set of decals for the Veco brand. Mark won Best Appearing Classic model at the 2007 VSC. Here is his Veco decal on the tip rudder, one of, on the Olympus.



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The cowl is curing with the slow Hobby Poxy finishing epoxy on top of our wall space heater, which by the way kept our pipes from freezing during the Iced Out Days in February. The cowl has been lathered with a coating of slightly water thinned spackling compound and is now drying so I can sand it later today and then add X-O-Rust white primer to the surface.

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Allen,

Looks great, looking forward to seeing it fly this summer.

James

Hi Allan. I have been following your build with a lot of interest. Your ship is turning out beautiful. I really like that see-through covering, specially in yellow. One question. The photo of your cowl appears to show some sort of threaded insert in the cowl hold-down tabs. Are those commersially available or did you thread some aluminum tubing? Love the ship....more pics

Glen,

Those are just 4-40 blind mounting nuts. The bolts enter the side of the body and will bottom out at the plywood doubler. The threaded ends are run through the blind mounting nuts. I like to run the bolts at a 90 degree angle from the direction of cowl removal. Takes four bolts to do this but the cowl is held on tight.

Thanks for the comments. I so hope to take this to the VSC, but time is running out.

Hello Allen,

Great to see you building another Dutch design. First the Trianic from Bert Metkemeier and now the Olympus by Louis v/d Hout. Just to add some couleur locale, the picture Bruno send in reply nr 8 is probably taken on the helipad next to Rotterdam Hofplein station. Sabena Airlines maintained a regular helicopter service between Rotterdam and Brussels in those years. I know because I used to travel via that station to my grandma just around the years the picture was taken. Offcourse, nothing remains of it today. Didn't see those three guys back then but you will be glad to hear that all three are still active. Bert is again a regular competitor in f2b and even flew his old Trianic at the Dutch Nationals some two years ago. Louis is a well respected International F2b judge. Paul Tupker is still a regular visitor at our meets and to a lot of us the 'father' of our little stunt community (we have some 6-8 guys here in the Netherlands who compete regularly).

But tell me, why those European (and even Dutch) designs???

Greatings Bram

PS. Great flying today, 40 degrF, sunshine and a faint hint of a breaze.

>Hello Allen,
>
>Great to see you building another Dutch design. First the
>Trianic from Bert Metkemeier and now the Olympus by Louis v/d
>Hout. Just to add some couleur locale, the picture Bruno send
>in reply nr 8 is probably taken on the helipad next to
>Rotterdam Hofplein station. Sabena Airlines maintained a
>regular helicopter service between Rotterdam and Brussels in
>those years. I know because I used to travel via that station
>to my grandma just around the years the picture was taken.
>Offcourse, nothing remains of it today. Didn't see those three
>guys back then but you will be glad to hear that all three are
>still active. Bert is again a regular competitor in f2b and
>even flew his old Trianic at the Dutch Nationals some two
>years ago. Louis is a well respected International F2b judge.
>Paul Tupker is still a regular visitor at our meets and to a
>lot of us the 'father' of our little stunt community (we have
>some 6-8 guys here in the Netherlands who compete regularly).
>
>But tell me, why those European (and even Dutch) designs???



>
>Greatings Bram
>
>PS. Great flying today, 40 degrF, sunshine and a faint hint of
>a breaze.
>


My interest, in retirement from public school teaching, is to publish models that have not had full-blown articles as printed in the U.S. I enjoy so much the Classic models that are seen at local, regional and National contests but the collection needed some spicing up. Tom Morris' collection book of drawings, and scaled down plans really caught my eye as I would slowly go through the pages when I got the chance.

I developed a list of future models from that book and those are the ones I felt would be great choices for a good flying model and worthy of a major article. The Plano by Wim Cator will be forthcoming soon. Joe Reinhard and I are working on that one together as we did with Jim Silhavy's Gypsy 35. So that would be three from the Netherlands in a row. Upcoming is the A.M.A. Special/Grondal Nobler by Louis Grondal. We are nearing completion of that one.

I have co-authored the Gypsy 40 and 35 by Jim Silhavy, The Foxy OTS model by Odell Reynolds, The Trianic by Bert Metkemeyer, now the Olympus by Louis van den Hout, and have several more in line to include, a Polish model, a Canadian bird, an Italian design, and Bob Gialdini's Eclipse. Bob's Rayette was featured in my column as well as covering the Dick Mathis first Excalibur. The Frank Adams' Special was another OTS bird brought out of hiding.

I have an interest in some of the Russian models but need more information and permission to proceed with them. Do you have any models which you might consider worthy of publication in Flying Models, please let me know. Contact me if time permits.

I met Bert at the 2004 FAI World Champs and also spent time with Louis van den Hout. Henk de Jong has been a wonderful connection to some of these exciting, but often overlooked models. Claus Maikis and Axel Junghertz have also been a wonderful help to my goals in retirement.

The cowl is in final primer and I need to refit the landing dear door covers and wing tip weight box. Then cover the said items. I also hope to glue on the wing landing gear spats and have them shaped by tonight.

I realize the original had the Veco decal but now you have a non-Veco engine in the plane! Being A Veco person , the decal should reflect the powerplant that is in the aircraft at this particular time frame.

Allen, I notice a different fin design in some pictures of the originals. What version are you reproducing? Keep up the good work, it's looking very nice.

This one

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Allen,

Looking good! I'm glad the decals worked out.

See you next week at VSC.

Mark Gerber

Perhaps only pictures of the Olympus will make it, but the decals worked out great. I still have to apply the Veco 500 after the paint is on the fuselage.

Allen

>Allen, watch your six, The RNMM has gotten wind of your
>disrespect for traditional finishes. Run for your life...
>
Hi Joe,

Allen is in no danger. He has been granted a special dispensation due to his efforts in reviving the Classics! And if he could do a nice dope/silkspan finish, I'm sure he would! LOL!!!!!!!!!

Big Bear <><
Character: It's what you do when no one else is watching.

Guys, plastic film is a classic and traditional covering that is very much in the spirit of classic designs. Monokote started showing up in magazine ads as early as 1966. My God, that was 42 years ago. So anyway you look at it, film is tradtional for classic designs

Nice project Allen!!! Good luck in Tucson

I am keeping the lady of the house happy, and you know that is important to be able to continue the hobby with minimum harassment.

The cowl is in final white primer, and all the wheel hold-down doors and wing tip weight box are finished to match the wing film. I will glue on the wheel spats tonight and get them sanded to shape and begin finishing work on them also.

No pictures this time.

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Alternate fuselage landing gear, white primered cowl and new RST Sullivan 6 ounce tank is shown.


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The new RST Sullivan 6 ounce tank and its plumbing installed.


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A closer look at the landing attachment door.

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Let me get my van in to be fixed and I will continue on the Olympus construction.

OK, the van is being fixed for the second time in February of 2008. Two deer strikes in less than 19 days sure turns a fellow off. Perhaps I need to get my deer license (shotgun, type one each) and do some legal deer hunting in Pope County, IL

Well I know have the tank push fit in place and several triblade Bolly props with a bit less diameter than I would use with a piped PA 61. I also chose the props with the lesser blade area. Note the fuselage landing gear placement when flying Expert and off not so nice surfaces. I can use both systems.



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The tail wheel situation is the Tom Morris type removeable tail gear. Bob Hunt published my first thoughts on removeable tail gears in Flying Models of somewhere around 1986.


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>The tail wheel situation is the Tom Morris type removeable
>tail gear. Bob Hunt published my first thoughts on removeable
>tail gears in Flying Models of somewhere around 1986.


My thought on removable tail wheels..... If you make them removable, they will NEVER break!

What is funny is that I make mine removable and I have had a couple break!

Like adjustable leadouts, wing tip weight boxes and trim tabs. Put 'em in and you normally do not have to use them. Don't, and you are back to the old Exacto knife and glue situation.

Am now using Brodak two inch spinners on the Olympus. I purchased a two blade and a three blade set. They came with 1/4" and 1/4" for the spinner nut, so I borrow a pair of 1/4" and 5/16" nuts from another spinner set. The price on the spinners each is $20.99 and seem well worth their money.



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Shown here is the version of the Olympus I am completing. The shot shows the model(s) at rest in Budapest in 1964. I will be leaving for Tucson Thursday. I should receive my van back from the body shop today (Tuesday), and get the van front end re-aligned Wednesday and take off Thursday morning from Charlie Reeves' house around 6am.

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Looking forward to seeing all of you again.

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Getting back to business now that the VSC XX is over. What a wonderful trip.

Whats the deal on Classic landing gear setups. Can you substitute fuse mounted gear for wing mounted if you operate under rough circumstances,(that sounds kinda strange).

I am always willing to lose some fidelity points when I substitute the fuselage gear for the wing gear set-up. I know that I will lose some points, but attempt to keep the model safe under unsafe conditions.

OK, OK, we are finally up on the paint stand. Most of the fuselage work will be done here. I will use MinWax Polycrylic clear and 1/2 ounce fiberglass cloth for a base coat. More Polycrylic and Randy Smith's zinc sterate filler will fill more of the base. Then I will use a light weight epoxy mixture for the fillets. Then I will add a brushed on coat of water based spackling thinned with water to the consistency of pancake batter. This will be sanded off and a light spray coat of X-O-Rust white metal primer will be sprayed on. This will be sanded and a one last coat of the same primer. Then I will mask off the final fuselage and spray a layer of the paint I am going to use. That color is to be determined as yet.



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The basic tools of today's cloth hanging. I am using 1/2 ounce f.g. cloth, a sharp set of scissors, MinWax Polycrylic clear gloss, and a foam brush.

The cloth is laid over the fuselage nose and the Polycrylic is brushed through the dry cloth. I cut the cloth to fit the nose area. I will allow this to dry and add a second coat before moving the stand back to my building room.



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The bare cloth is carefully draped over the nose of the Olympus.


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Note the wax paper protecting the seal of the glass bottle and the metal cap. Polycrylic will "glue" the lid and bottle together. It is best to prevent this by using wax paper in between the surfaces. The original metal lid was becoming "fast" to the metal can. I thus removed the remainder of the Polycrylic and put it into a glass bottle.


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Here is the first fitted, and painted cloth added to the nose of the Olympus.

One more coat to go before taking inside, unless it rains.

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Took the Olympus to our Paducah Aero Modeler's meeting last night. The new three part wheel spats were glued to the landing gear wires, the new spinner was in place and the Bolly three blade prop was firmly bolted on. With the tank snuggled down, and the front end fiber glass cloth cured on the nose, it now weights 49.6 ounces. That's 724 squares and an ounce of tip weight is installed.

Excellent!

Alan: 49oz - SHOWOFF!

If I understand your fuselage finish correctly you only have maybe an ounce or tw to go(?) Heck you can fly it with a 40!

All seriousness aside, I have been following this thread and commend you for ANOTHER great build on another really cool classic. Looking forwar d to seeing this one this summer two.

BTW to paraphrase that new Brad Paisley song:
"When we see a deer, you see Bambi
I see another fender repair...!"

I have to sub at school today at 11:30am, all day Thursday and Friday, plus meeting with my tax preparer tonight, a dentist appointment and Bible Study tomorrow so the week goes away quickly. I attempt to do what I can when I can. I have about 4.5 pages of text done on the Olympus article. I am still searching for more information on the Olympus as well as Louis van den Hout. Thanks to Dennis and Crist on the comments. I was hoping for the VSC, but two Bambi's got literally in the way during February.

>Alan: 49oz - SHOWOFF!
>
>If I understand your fuselage finish correctly you only have
>maybe an ounce or tw to go(?) Heck you can fly it with a 40!
Louis flew his originals with a Veco 45, so that should explain it.
Here's the last of the Olympuses, the single fin 'Spider' Louis and his son Louis Jr. (now a 747 captain)
(pictures by Peter van Doesburg, my team mate on the 1978 WCh, now a longtime member of the Dutch Pylonracing team)
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Hi Allen,

Great thread! Interesting, instructive, the pictures are quite useful. And I like the interactions with readers. Also, IMO, the Olympus is a great classic subject!

Thank you Allen, and others, for utilizing this forum in such a beneficial manner.

Best regardsl,

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"Keep thy shop and thy shop will keep thee." -Ben Jonson

Thank you so much. My intentions are to help others. There are plenty of Classics still waiting to "come out of the closet" and be given the spotlight. I so appreciate the help from everyone. I cannot do this all by myself.

Hi Allen... I just sent off for a set of plans for this same plane from Tom Dixon. As you might remember when I wrote you I needed a home for my Super Tiger .60s And I like the lines of this plane quite well. I am however concerned about getting all the tail & rudder apperatis's to jive.
So what do you figure this one of yours will weigh when it's ready to be fueled up ...I mean tank, fuel lines, prop, spinner , tip weight , etc???
Thanks in advance.

John,

Things have not changed since post #69 where the 724 square inch model is just under 50 ounces. I am hoping the total will be around 55 ounces with the auto clear coat.

55 ounces would be a very good weight. When I read 49.5 I figured maybe you had yet to paint something... regardless very good weight.

Yes, I need the Polycrylic base coat on the bare wood, then a second coat with Randy Smith's Zinc Sterate. Sand smooth and apply water-based spackling compound that is thinned to the consistency of pancake batter. Sand this off, and apply the SuperFil fillets. Then mask the fuselage and spray on a coat of X-O-Rust white metal primer and sand. Touch up any dings, etc. and just respray those spots.

Then I remask just outside the primer line and apply, in this case, white gloss X-O-Rust. I have decided to use white on the fuselage. Then the orange trim on the side of the fuselage will be very similar to the Trianic. I know, you never get to see that model much. The Veco crossed flags/500 decal by Mark Gerber will be fitted to the fuselage half way between the stab and flaps. I really hope that this simple trim, typical of the day, and a nice, but moderate auto clear coat will bring this in around 55 ounce. I hope, I hope, I hope.

Allen,

Is X-O Rust a Rustoleum product or a competitor? If a competitor where do you find it? I know, two to many questions - sorry......

Jim Pollock

Not too many questions. You are doing fine. X-O-Rust is made by the same company that makes Rustoleum. They are the same paint but offer different colors choices. X-O-Rust is found at True Value Hardware Store only. They cannot be found at Ace Hardware, Wal Mart or K Mart. Perhaps some of these stores have it on the shelves in different sales areas, I do not know. Both paints have the same qualities.

So, this "Spyder" version...is it Classic Legit (Pre-1970 for us'ns)? Is there any chance that Allen's expected "Olympus" article could show both versions? Approximately when would that article be published? Is that enough questions???

The "Spyder" is a bit different looking...kinda reminds me of the "Leopard Shark" (Leonard's planslist). Steve

Steve Helmick
Renton, Washington
USA

I hope to submit the Olympus when we the project is done. I am confused by the "Spyder" one? No longer confused. Too many meetings today with church projects to remember Bruno's post. The main theme of the Olympus is the Classic version. I have little in information on the Spyder version, although Louis did not change the sizes of his models much, just the overview of shape changes. The article would encompass the Classic version, although the
Spyder version would be Nostalgia-79 legal. I apologize for my tired brain cells.

There is another Rustoleum clone besides XO Rust. Ace manufactures and stocks a 15-oz. spray cans of "Rust Stop" in various colors (gloss & satin) plus primers.

Same properties as Rustoleum.

Mike Keville

Did not know that. Thank you Mike Keville.

I have had some direct questions about twin rudders. I prefer to glue them on straight. I do laminate, as I have on the Olympus and Trianic rudders, 1/64" ply and 1/4" balsa. The ply and balsa are the same for each rudder tip. The inboard rudder has the flat, or ply portion on the outboard side. The outboard rudder has the flat, or ply portion on the outboard side. Thus an airfoil is sanded into both the rudders so the tail section of the model is being "flown" gently toward the inside the circle, thus offering slight outboard yaw to the stunt plane's nose.

Just think of the Nobler rudder and accomplish the same task as that construction. My tank and engine compartment are now sealed with 30 minute epoxy. My wheel spats are a lamination of 1/64" ply, 1/8" balsa and 1/64" ply. The interior balsa is slotted to fit the landing gear wire. The ply next to the wheel is slotted up to where the 1/8" wire will exit the wheel spats. The three pieces are assembled over the wire with slow epoxy and clamped to the wire. I clamp them so the spats are parallel to the airstream.

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The third try at the rudders on the Trianic.


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Shows the other tries and the final pair.


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The inboard rudder.


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The outboard rudder.

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allen, my plans arived in the mail this afternoon . This plane has such nice lines...

I kind of thought when I decided to document the Olympus. Thank you John.