English airplane

I read references to a English model airplane called a "Black Ghost"
but have been unable to find a picture or drawing of same.

Does anyone have a picture or drawing? It is considered illegal for old time combat. Why?

Yea, I have an article on it (and plans, I think). I can dig it out over the next few days if you like

Charles

Hmmmmm....
Probably not much help but the only thing I've heard of similar to that is Larry Scarinzi's Grey Ghost....published in the 60's.
It's not intended for combat however.

Randy C

Wasn't the Grey Ghost a stunt plane?

Hi Randy, nope this is an English airplane that was very popular in the early 50's according to the literature. Supposedly it flew real well. Curious as to why it was outlawed??

Walter,

When you say illegal for old time combat, do you mean was
illegal back in the old days for combat, or is this plane illegal
for some new event called "Old Time Combat."

Is there now an event called "Old Time Combat?" The only
event like this I can recall was held by Doc Passen back in
Jasonville IN many years ago. But, I don't keep up with combat
any more.

Best regards,

Dick

I read that the "Sweet Sweep" was also illegal in the USA (or Texas?), because of wing fences. They trapped the opponent's streamer, it was claimed, making a 'kill' easier than it oughta be.
Why didn't foam LE's get banned, then? Steve

Steve Helmick
Renton, Washington
USA

Hi Hothandle

If you go over to the Barton contol line site http://www.controlline.org.uk/phpBB2/index.php Go to page 2 of the combat topic. The model in question (Black Ghost) was discussed and from memory plans were available.

Ployd in OZ

Some how it was legislated out of existence to compete in English Vintage combat. Very curious.

>
>I read references to a English model airplane called a
>"Black Ghost"
>but have been unable to find a picture or drawing of same.
>
>Does anyone have a picture or drawing? It is considered
>illegal for old time combat. Why?



Perhaps because in Old British Tradition the wing is attached with rubber bands!..........................

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Re Black Ghost,
This is a plane that I have been building over again throughout the years. My first one was circa 1958. It was designed by Mack Grimmet of the West Bromwich model club(my local club). It was initially flown exclusively by that club as their combat plane, before it was published in the Aeromodeller magazine. It was a very stuntworthy combat plane and I had my first really sucessful flying experience with this model. With an Oliver Tiger diesel it was the one to beat in the combat circle. It became outclassed by the introduction of the flying wing, despite design changes in an attempt to keep up! The rubber banded on wings were not to be sneezed at! It made repair work far easier than say GMA's Peacemaker (anglicised small Flightstreak).
I have a copy of the Aeromodeller article, if you are interested, the plans are still available from the X list (just google X list and you will find all you need to know).
Yes it has now been outlawed from British vintage combat! It was on the original approved list. This approved list has been modified on at least one occasion. For no good reason except to change the models that are seen at the vintage combat meets! There is no reason date wise, why this should be!!
Try one, they are fast to build and highly aerobatic, a real barrel of fun.

Regards,

Andrew.

>
>Re Black Ghost,
> This is a plane that I have been building over
>again throughout the years. My first one was circa 1958. It
>was designed by Mack Grimmet of the West Bromwich model
>club(my local club). It was initially flown exclusively by
>that club as their combat plane, before it was published in
>the Aeromodeller magazine. It was a very stuntworthy combat
>plane and I had my first really sucessful flying experience
>with this model. With an Oliver Tiger diesel it was the one to
>beat in the combat circle. It became outclassed by the
>introduction of the flying wing, despite design changes in an
>attempt to keep up! The rubber banded on wings were not to be
>sneezed at! It made repair work far easier than say GMA's
>Peacemaker (anglicised small Flightstreak).
> I have a copy of the Aeromodeller article, if you are
>interested, the plans are still available from the X list
>(just google X list and you will find all you need to know).
> Yes it has now been outlawed from British vintage combat! It
>was on the original approved list. This approved list has been
>modified on at least one occasion. For no good reason except
>to change the models that are seen at the vintage combat
>meets! There is no reason date wise, why this should be!!
> Try one, they are fast to build and highly aerobatic, a real
>barrel of fun.
>
>Regards,
>
>Andrew.


Many thanks Andrew for the background history of this model ......... I was a member of the Walsall Model Aeroplane club in the late 40's and early 50's and our efforts in the control line field were all rubber banded wing mounting ....... unlike the North American a car was not an integral part of our daily life so to get anywhere meant shanks, a bike, or the bus so being able to unlash the wing on a model meant you were able to transport it easily.

Will most certainly have a go at putting one of these together .... looks like it could be a fun model...............