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JIS Standard Cross-head drivers

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Brett Buck · May 11, 2005 03:11 PM

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I've been meaning to mention this for a while now, but kept forgetting.

Everybody hates Phillips head screws. They always strip out, and the Japanese screws seem to get screwed up if you look at them funny.

Well, the problem is that the thing on you OS, Suzuki etc, that looks like a Phillips-head screw ISN'T. The Japanese standard looks pretty close, but isn't really the same as the original Phillips specification. The result is that if you use a regular American Phillips-head screwdriver on Japanese Industrial Standard cross-head screws, the slight difference in the shape makes it "cam out", knocking off the edges of the slots, and making it very dificult to ever get it to come out again.

The solution, which should have been obvious when I was working on motorcycles 30 years ago, but wasn't "cuz i'm stoopid" is to get Japanese drivers.

For our purposes, Central Hobbies

http://www.centralhobbies.com

sells high-quality JIS Scredrivers sets for a reasonable price - $18. You get 4 screwdrivers of different sizes that cover the range you will likely ever need for modeling. My set from Central look exactly like the driver I got from the guy on the Snap-On truck a few years ago.

In use, it's *very easy* to tell that this is different. Put it in the screw, and it has a very solid grip in the slot. Unlike usual phillips in Japanese screws, it only fits one way, doesn't rock around at all. There is NO WAY you could get it to slip before simply breaking something. The result is no camming out, and no damage to the screw head. It feels better than an Allen wrench/hex key.

If you have an OS, Saito, etc, Japanese engine (or other Japanese devices) with cross-head screws, I HIGHLY recommend this as an investment that will save you a lot of annoyance and frustration.

Central has a fair number of other neat things, too. They cater to R/C pattern, but there are lot of little bits and peices that we can put to good use. The trick titanium pushrod ends, for example, can be found here as well.

BTW- another point, that the experienced know, but newbies may not. The screws have standardized slots in the heads, and they go with one, and only one, size of screwdriver. This is true of regular slotted screws, Phillips-head screws, and JIS screws. Frequently, you can sort of get more than one to fit. The correct screwdriver size is the largest size that will fit in the slot. The right driver usually looks too big, or disproportionate to the screw size. Too small, and the torque you use to try to turn it gets transferred only at a few points on the screw and driver, not all the way across. You might get away with it a few times, but the chances of damaging the screw slot(s) are very high. But you can really tell the difference when you get it right because it fits tight.


Brett

ferocious · Jun 11, 2005 11:03 AM

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for a quick and dirty fix, when you haven't got your JIS screwdrivers yet, lightly grind the tip of the appropriate size phillips screwdriver. If you take 020-030 in. off that will allow the cross to seat much better in a JIS screw. Works almost as well as the correct driver.

Just so's you know, the Phillips head was DESIGNED to cam out of the screw. Prevents the screw from being over-torqued.

Also, do you know how many people every year put a Phillips screwdriver through the palm of their hand? Trying to put enough pressure on the screw to make it tighten fully?? I don't, but NEVER hold something in one hand and use a Phillips screwdriver on it. Put it down on something solid that won't get hurt when the driver slips.
Phil C

C/L Gee Bee · Aug 16, 2006 12:40 PM

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In Auto Shop 101, we were instructed that any time a tool was introed to a 'divorced' part, (not attached to the vehicle) it was a 'Vise Job'. Hand jobs were prohibited in those pre-Clinton years.

Mike in Atwater,
where a timid question will always receive a confident answer

Steve Fitton · Jun 15, 2005 03:50 PM

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Thanks for the tip Brett!

(Now I know why my Honda XR-75 had lots of mangled screw heads on it by the time I acquired it!)


The proper screw drivers will make those OS screws much less annoying, I'll be looking at that link.

Steve
Steve

shholt · Jun 16, 2005 05:53 AM

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I bought a set based on Brett's suggestion. They are great! Even older OS engines with damaged screw heads now can be disassembled. The smallest works on those little screws that hold the fiberglass cowls on ARF's too.

Steve

Brett Buck · Jun 18, 2005 02:52 PM

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>I bought a set based on Brett's suggestion. They are great!

Almost like the weld themselves into the hole, huh?

Brett

glenwearden · Jun 19, 2005 01:27 PM

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I ordered a set of 4 screwdrivers from RJR Cool Tools. Their web address is rjrcooltools.com. The set was $16.00 with free shipping. I don't know how that compares with other suppliers. Looking forward to using them..Glen
Glen Wearden

PeterH · Nov 11, 2005 07:51 PM

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Has anyone tested a 'Reed & Prince' pattern screwdriver with Japanese screws to see if it's an improvement over 'Phillips' screwdrivers? These are generally available over the counter at hardware/tool stores.
Peter Havriluk

fox4evr · Nov 12, 2005 02:57 AM

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If I remember correctly, the Phillips is the pointy one and the Reed and Prince is the blunt point. It makes a big difference to the screws.
Lee TGD
Lee TGD
Broken Arrow, Ok

captcurt · Nov 12, 2005 04:54 AM

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Other way around I think Lee.

Curt

peabody · Nov 18, 2005 02:59 AM

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Years ago, 1977 or so,, when in the motorcycle accessory business in Cleveland, I boughtt a set from the WURTH guy....they worked so well that I began to stock them. Everyone thought I was nuts (yes! even then!) until they used them.....then they bought a set.....

See Ya

Peabody

dennis · Nov 18, 2005 03:38 AM

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>I ordered a set of 4 screwdrivers from RJR Cool Tools.
>Their web address is rjrcooltools.com. The set was $16.00
>with free shipping. I don't know how that compares with
>other suppliers. Looking forward to using them..Glen

One of the problems with the econemy sets is the handles are so thin that you cannot exert much torque on them.
They really aren't for motor work, but electronics
You really need to buy some good industrial JIS drivers with decent handles. None of the small ones will break the carb screws loose on an OS motor, at least not with my hands.
Dennis



Dave Moffitt · Dec 31, 2005 01:27 AM

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I would suspect that these JIS screwdrivers are Pozidrive drivers.
Pozidrive drivers will work well on Phillips screws and Pozidrive....and are thus a much better buy than Phillips.
As has been said, Phillips drivers are very bad for anything else....and not, really very good on Phillips, either.....
If possible I use Allen keys and screws...
Torx are even better in some ways.
My qualifications for saying so.... I have been an Electronics Tech for 30+ years.
The gear I work on is held together by Torx, Allen and posidrive screws.... rarely Phillips.

Happy New Year to All


Dave Moffitt

C/L Gee Bee · Aug 16, 2006 12:46 PM

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Take a 2" (or length of the handles) piece of automotive fuel (or water) hose and force it on the plastic handle with some sudsy amonia. Instant rubber handle, comfy to these old hands. (And the young ones!)

Mike in Atwater,
where a timid question will always receive a confident answer

glenwearden · Jan 07, 2006 04:12 PM

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I ordered a set of these a while ago. They really make a difference. Glen
Glen Wearden