th "real" stuka stunt

i found this pic on line...where hi's givin me th finger ... ha ha ha ha ha i bet theres a few others that woulld do that too

Hi Jim, I have a "nostalgic" riddle 4 U...........

What issue of Flying Models magazine has no contruction articles in it? Hint there is a picture of you in it with a Stuka.

my memory aint that good buddy ... sorry ... th one u can get plans of is not the same this plane....hi re-drew it ... a few times lol ...jim

LAST EDITED ON Nov-16-04 AT 06:49 PM (CST)
 
Jim, the issue was FM November 1958 which was entirely devoted to Nats reporting. It has a picture of you launching Dennis Schauer's Stuka. This is also an interesting nostalgic issue for me in more ways than one. It has a picture in it of Val Ure, a prolific Canadian builder and designer of FF, C/L and RC models who is a good friend of mine. One of Val's published designs was the Flipper a C'L stunt and combat flying wing, which was powered by a K&B .19. I have the original drawing for the Flipper as well as the original drawing for a classic legal stunt model that not many people have ever heard of called the Tumbleweed. It was a sort of Thunderbird trike - gear look-alike design.

I'll post some pictures tomorrow as I'm short on time tonight.

if val is that redheaded guy from canada ...we were good friends also i use to tease him and ask him if it was hard havin to fly in th snow all th time...then hed tell me they had places where it got nearly 100 deg. in th summer ... id say sure sure ... he would always get one hell of a sunburn at th nats ...and could ya email me that pic please...i dont have none of that stuff any more....yep there was a reason for me settin dennis off... he sure didnt want hi to do it!!! ha ha ha ha ha

Liking that Stuka must be an acquired taste, IMHO.

ya like don stills modified berkely p-40 better steve? jim

Still's Stuka is a lot more graceful. This one has a lot of odd proportions and angles and just doesn't look right to me. It's too far off for scale yet doesn't make a nice looking stunter. Of course this is entirely subjective.

Well Hi's stuka definately doesn't look like anything other than a stuka...it was created 45 years ago...and most folks still like it...and yep I like "sushi"....jim

>if val is that redheaded guy from canada ...we were good
>friends also i use to tease him and ask him if it was hard
>havin to fly in th snow all th time...then hed tell me they
>had places where it got nearly 100 deg. in th summer ... id
>say sure sure ... he would always get one hell of a sunburn
>at th nats ...and could ya email me that pic please...i dont
>have none of that stuff any more....yep there was a reason
>for me settin dennis off... he sure didnt want hi to do
>it!!! ha ha ha ha ha

Yes, that's Val. He lives only a few miles away from me. I will email you a couple of pictures. In the meantime, here's more Stuka pictures. I happen to have one under construction.

Eggy, I too am planning to build Hi Johnsons Stuka this winter. One of my concerns is covering the polywog wing. I fear that as the silkspan shrinks, it will pull away from the camber of the airfoil. any thought on this matter??

Hello There

Covering a "poly" wing is easy. Use a few coats of thick dope on the ribs and then cover in the normal manner.

When using silk on that type of wing pull the silk in the span direction.

When doping the wing initally do not wet the ribs too much.

Find an old F/F modeller and they will help.

Some of the old FF models used NACA4409 or 6409, the bottom of these sections is like a CL "poly" wing.

Have a go it is not as hard as it seems.

John Quigley

john... i think it was called an involute airfoil on a freeflight at th time...it was th cats meow then ...jim

Using Nitrate dope to pre-dope & attach the covering would help, but better yet, thin out some "fabric cement", and use it on the undercambered areas. This is what is used to glue fabric onto light planes, I was told. It smells & looks like Duco (or "Tarzan's Grip", for you Ozzies). Better adhesive qualities help. Be sure not to put any plasticizer in the dope you are putting the covering on with, it cuts down the stickiness. Steve

LAST EDITED ON Nov-18-04 AT 11:13 PM (CST)
 
i used spartan aircraft butyrate full streghth thick as karo syrup on that one...about a gallon of it ...well a quart anyway....several xtra coats on th rib capstrips...it was still difficult to get it stuck ...thats silk u see...once u got it stuck it would stay i think i may have had to re-wet th covering a couple of times to get it stuck good...u could do that with real silk...jim

You could rib stitch it. That will not pull up.
Chris...

>Eggy, I too am planning to build Hi Johnsons Stuka this
>winter. One of my concerns is covering the polywog wing. I
>fear that as the silkspan shrinks, it will pull away from
>the camber of the airfoil. any thought on this matter??
>
> Larry, NorCal Circle Jerks

I know this is off the exact subject but Larry's Job on this Stuka
is really nice.

Paul Heimgaertner

Photo taken from original thread

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-19-04 AT 08:48 PM (CST)
 
Paul...That's nice lookin airplane...jim

>I know this is off the exact subject but Larry's Job on this
>Stuka
>is really nice.
>
>Paul Heimgaertner
>
>Photo taken from original thread
>
>http://clstunt.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=8663&forum=DCForumID1

That photo brings a tear to my eye. I planted that plane about two feet into the ground a couple of months back. It sure flew great, so great in fact, I've got another one built-up and ready to cover. I hope it flies as good as the last one.

>Eggy, I too am planning to build Hi Johnsons Stuka this
>winter. One of my concerns is covering the polywog wing. I
>fear that as the silkspan shrinks, it will pull away from
>the camber of the airfoil. any thought on this matter??
>
> Larry, NorCal Circle Jerks

Larry, if you lay on a couple of coats of clear dope on the capstrips before covering and ensure the covering material "grain" runs span-wise you shouldn't have any problem with covering lifting. I've built a couple of Fierce Arrows that have a similar airfoil and had no problem with the covering lifting due to the airfoil camber. I will check with my Friend Val who has built countless free flight models with undercambered airfoils for his advice and report back.

There is an Aeromodeller plan for a 60-size stunt Stuka. I think it is in the 12/76 Aeromodeller and the plans are on the X-list. It is similar in appearance to the Hi Johnson Stuka, as I recall. I'll see if I can find it.

Jim

LAST EDITED ON Nov-19-04 AT 08:50 PM (CST)
 
larry ....th way i did it was as stated lotsa dope on th ribs and stick it good while its wet....when its dry dope just on th ribs and let it dry a couple times and stick it good .... i used silk and was able to pin th areas that popped up and some will ...count on it...once ur sure its stuck good go ahead and dope as u normally would im not sure monocote would stick and stay stuck that well...its kind of a bugger to cover ....un like th simpler designs of stukas it really taxes u at times during construction and covering....but ur reward is a really unique, good looking airplane...jim

I was wondering if the people who have covered this Stuka wing did it in two pieces on the top and bottom? It looks to have thin ribs at the bend to be able to attach a piece of silkspan to. I knew someone who, years ago, covered a Sterling Corsair wing with a stocking sewn up around the trailing edge and around the wing tip. Thanks in advance.....

well i can speak for th one in th picture..i built it...actually it was four ...one for each wing surface....jim