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jobellcrank · Feb 16, 2008 02:18 PM

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First, let me thank Len for making room for this Idea. It's not mine, but actually the result of several folks inquiring if this could be done.

Learning to use a CAd system can be a bit imposing, especially when you are,
1, already a pretty good board draftsman.
2, perhaps not real "computer savy."
3, daunted by the completely unfamiliar tools used in a CAD system to create drawings.

The last one is likely the biggest reason many may aquire a CAD system, and then after trying a day or two, giving up and going back to the familiar drawing board, T square, and triangles.

Most Good Cad pilots are also good board draftsmen. The difference is that they invested the time, got some instruction, either formal, or read the book, and learned to use the digital tools.

I've often heard that CAD drawings lack the soul, "artistry", if you prefer, that a well done hand drafted plan has. That may be true, but, I believe what most matters is the skill, and artistic sense of the drafter, whatever the media.

Don't get me wrong, all of us appreciate a seriously great hand drafter, Steve Buso comes immediatly to mind, as one of the best, but I've seen some CAD drawings that will give him a run for his money. It really depends, in both cases, on the skill of the drafter.

OK, let's look at some of the reasons you may want to switch to CAD.

Accuracy is one reason. A skilled CAD pilot can make drawings accurate to 17 decimal places. Do we need that? Well,, the answer is, sometimes.

Repeatability is another. You can save often used parts in a seperate file, and insert them where you wish. No Need to redraw something each time you make a drawing.

Modifications done in CAD are seamless, and relativly easy. Re-arranging an entire drawing can be done in a few minutes.

Storage of drawings is digital. Most of my drawings are backed up on a seperate hard drive, a few CD's, and a flash drive. (I use a multiple back up system ever since I had a hard drive crash that lost a complete drawing forever.) Hard copies can take up a lot of space, and can be ravaged by time, accidents, dirt, and dust. Digital files can also suffer, but not in the same ways, and multiple backups help insure the files integrety.

Hard copies must be copied in some manner. Many methods will sometimes elongate the drawing in one direction. A later copy of that copy, and then another, etc. We can get a build up of errors, and not even be aware of it. Cad drawings, plotted from the file, are a new drawing, or what is known as a first generation print. Less chance of errors.

There are some advantages that help us when we build a CAD designed plane.

Very accurate patterns for each part can be easily produced and made available for the scratch builder. The same files can be used with a Laser cutter, to make accurate parts for the builder to use. The accuracy is such, that I expect to see some changes in how parts are used to self jig, and take advantage of structure for stregnth.

OK, I'm running on a bit, but it's for a good reson. If you decide to take this trip with me and others into the CAD world, you need to understand why you're doing it. I can guarantee that at first, you will be able to do it by hand a lot faster. I can also guarantee that as you gain understanding of, and skill with using your new tools, it won't take long before you'll realize that you're working faster, easier, and more accuratly.

It's my plan to introduce skills incrementally, one building on another. I plan on introducing a topic, and then start a discussion by explaining how I do the task, in the format I use.

I hope that those skilled in the same, and other formats will join in and explain how the same thing can be accomplished their way.

I feel that this broadened exposure should cover most of the bases, those it doesn't perhaps won't matter, or some one else will join in and show us the way.

I invite all CAD Pilots to paricipate. Share what you know, and let's learn from each other.


Len, I've a question, How do I pin this one to the top?
I'm wondering why everything is spinning around?

John Miller

drolley · Feb 18, 2008 07:42 PM

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John,

I need to draw up the plans for a Mouse Racer for someone. I use AutoCAD. I'd be willing to do a thread on how I do it (not that my method is anywhere near the correct way).

I'm currently getting ready for a contest this weekend, so it would be next week before I start on it.

Dave Rolley

jobellcrank · Feb 18, 2008 08:24 PM

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Dave, that's just what we're looking for.
I'm wondering why everything is spinning around?

John Miller

Aerowrench · Feb 20, 2008 05:55 PM

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My recent post was done with MS Paint. A challenge for me, I'm not familiar with CAD at all.
Like most of you I took drafting in HS and enjoyed it. Look forward to sitting in the peanut gallery on this one. Picking up pointers for the day I take the plunge into the 21st century.
-Doug

USRACER_843 · Feb 22, 2008 10:49 PM

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From my experience watching others struggle with Paint and similar programs, a CAD program, once a few basics are learned, is orders or magnitude easier and better than using "Paint" type programs.
I do have the advantage of learning CAD while employed in the Aerodspace industry. It took quite a few years before "civilian" programs were available, and affordable.

Although AUTOCAD is the defacto industry standard, it is the most expensive thing one can get, even AUTOCAD LT has to me an astronomical price. More power to those who can one way or another get a copy of AUTOCAD for their use. I personally like to have a usable registerable version of what I use just for the availablity of customer support.

TurboCAD is another available and popular program that has all the features anyone could every want for our type of drawings.

Lastly, the only way I've found practical to learn a program is to have a task to accomplish, thus providing an incentive that won't be generated using available tutorials or heaven forbid, trying to wade through the manual! The most frustrating thing I've encountered is trying to use different programs. They all, even though they save compatible file types, have unique methods of doing things that can only be learned through practice.



don Burke
Menifee, CA
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming, WOO HOO, What a Ride!

pipemakermike · Mar 01, 2008 09:15 AM

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Hi John

I will watch with interest. I have been a CAD pilot since 1982 and CAD system manager all that time. We started with a good 2D system called Medusa and I still miss it. Now use SolidWorks and Pro/e in my dayjob but of course don't have them at home At home for modelling stuff I use ProDesktop a good simple 3D package sadly now defunct. Some Examples:-



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Of curse it is not so good for the plan type drawings as the time to model in 3D is prohibative

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jobellcrank · Mar 03, 2008 04:45 PM

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Mike, Nice work. Later in this series, we hope to touch on 3D systems. I'll definately be calling on your expertise in that area.

John
I'm wondering why everything is spinning around?

John Miller

GravityWell · Aug 17, 2008 12:24 AM

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My computer took a major hit ang I lost the hard drive and all the CAD lessons! aaaarrrggg! Now when I open thius topic, only the first lesson is available.....I have no idea why. I have tried to use the search engine to find the other lessons but have had no luck, can anyone help? Please help
“I have never crashed, but I have proven the theory that gravity sucks!”
Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach
Westlock, Alberta. Canada

zedad71 · Sep 16, 2008 04:09 PM

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try to see if this will help you, direct links to each topic


http://www.clstunt.com/htdocs/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=114&topic_id=2&mesg_id=2&page=

http://www.clstunt.com/htdocs/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=114&topic_id=5&mesg_id=5&page=

http://www.clstunt.com/htdocs/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=114&topic_id=31&mesg_id=31&page=

http://www.clstunt.com/htdocs/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=114&topic_id=53&mesg_id=53&page=

I beleive that there is an option in your personal settings that establishs the age of posts you can view, or that show up in your window.
In your user menu section there is a choice for date limit, I set mine for 6 months, you may check and see what yours is set for. I think default is 30 days which would prevent you from seeing anything older than that
Mark Scarborough
After years of running round in circles at the Rat Race Now I run around in circles for fun, go figure

Tercels8554 · Oct 17, 2009 12:43 PM

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Tercels
I've often thought about learning CAD. Do you know if it's compatible with a Mac platform? Many thanks, Joey